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I don’t think anyone is avoiding the problem, I think people are just unsure about what the best solution is. We could have replaced coal with nuclear in the 70

I don’t think anyone is avoiding the problem, I think people are just unsure about what the best solution is. We could have replaced coal with nuclear in the 70s but that was ‘too risky’ for the average environmentalist, so we are putting out bets on developing renewables faster than climate changes occur. We merely trade one risk for another, there is never a silver bullet. Most climate skeptics are happy to take the risk that the models aren’t accurate or the scientists doom predictions don’t occur. I think there’s a chance the models are wrong but I’d prefer to take the pain/risk of trying to reduce the potential for a problem before it’s too late.

karmakurtisaani 3y ago
> I don’t think anyone is avoiding the problem Oil and gas companies would probably come to mind. If we apply quick fixes, you can be sure O&G will be lobbying hard not to do anything to restrict their operations.
- brutusborn 3y ago
  I wouldn’t call that avoiding the problem. No one expects oil and gas companies to shut down until we have something to replace them. Renewables haven’t been very effective yet (just look at Germany) so we still need oil and gas companies to function (eg just stop oil all using iPhones and Macs). I’m guessing you still use products made from fossil fuels: would you say that you are avoiding the problem? Or would you say you a just being pragmatic? It’s easy to point fingers but unless you are living in a hut in the woods you will still be contributing to GHG.
  - karmakurtisaani 3y ago
    It's actually easy to point fingers when you're aware of the tactics used by O&G. Examples: * They knew about climate change a long time ago, yet decided to use tobacco industry playbook rather than try to be part of the solution. * They obfuscated plastic recycling on purpose (do you know the difference between PET-1 and PET-2, why does the plastic type symbol look exactly like the universal symbol for recycling?) * Even more recently, they branded the term 'clean coal' and had different media outlets and politicians parrot it around. * Established fake grassroots movements to make it look like people support whatever shit they do. These and many other violations are discussed in the excellent YouTube channel Climate Town. If we do quick fixes, O&G will absolutely use the opportunity to keep pushing their garbage and hinder other progress.
    - brutusborn 3y ago
      Thanks for the youtube suggestion, I'll check it out. The only one I'm aware of is the PR firm that worked with BP to develop the recycling concept. Maybe I'm being too easy on them.

karmakurtisaani 3y ago

> I don’t think anyone is avoiding the problem Oil and gas companies would probably come to mind. If we apply quick fixes, you can be sure O&G will be lobbying hard not to do anything to restrict their operations.

brutusborn 3y ago
I wouldn’t call that avoiding the problem. No one expects oil and gas companies to shut down until we have something to replace them. Renewables haven’t been very effective yet (just look at Germany) so we still need oil and gas companies to function (eg just stop oil all using iPhones and Macs). I’m guessing you still use products made from fossil fuels: would you say that you are avoiding the problem? Or would you say you a just being pragmatic? It’s easy to point fingers but unless you are living in a hut in the woods you will still be contributing to GHG.
- karmakurtisaani 3y ago
  It's actually easy to point fingers when you're aware of the tactics used by O&G. Examples: * They knew about climate change a long time ago, yet decided to use tobacco industry playbook rather than try to be part of the solution. * They obfuscated plastic recycling on purpose (do you know the difference between PET-1 and PET-2, why does the plastic type symbol look exactly like the universal symbol for recycling?) * Even more recently, they branded the term 'clean coal' and had different media outlets and politicians parrot it around. * Established fake grassroots movements to make it look like people support whatever shit they do. These and many other violations are discussed in the excellent YouTube channel Climate Town. If we do quick fixes, O&G will absolutely use the opportunity to keep pushing their garbage and hinder other progress.
  - brutusborn 3y ago
    Thanks for the youtube suggestion, I'll check it out. The only one I'm aware of is the PR firm that worked with BP to develop the recycling concept. Maybe I'm being too easy on them.