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I don't agree customers don't care about bugs, software quality and voice assistants, you can hear them complaining in literally every forum for Apple users. A

I don't agree customers don't care about bugs, software quality and voice assistants, you can hear them complaining in literally every forum for Apple users. An ecosystem has stickiness, so many things go wrong, that people strongly care about, but the overall equation still tips in favor of "I'll stay". The UI design went completely downhill in iOS7 with Forstall leaving and Ive taking over. I love Ive, but he's not perfect at all. Currently it's almost as if it's slowly, slowly, slowly recovering, but we'll see. Vision Pro's OS also shows some excellent design sensibilities, although the product as a whole is a solution in search of a problem. Tim Cook needs a "product guy" to help him round out the management team. He was/is an insanely good COO, though.

nkotov 3y ago
I really respect Ives as a great product designer but not a great UI designer in my opinion. iOS 6 Skeuomorphism was taken to the extreme so that iOS 7 felt like a breathe of fresh air. Now everything just feels bland.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  There was a lot of air in iOS 7, and the fonts were so thin they were waving in the open breeze.
smt88 3y ago
> you can hear them complaining in literally every forum for Apple users My layperson friends seem not to know iOS has any bugs at all. They just seem to think software in general is flaky. And all those complainers still keep buying these things, so they don't care enough to switch. > Tim Cook needs a "product guy" to help him round out the management team. Why? Objectively speaking, why does he need a product guy? The company has been performing incredibly well as-is, and that's all he cares about and all he's paid to care about. Their brand doesn't seem to be suffering either, so they're doing well in the short and long terms.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  You're describing Tim Cook as some automaton who only cares about performance indicators and believe me you don't know him well if you think that. But the fact is he's good at operations, and not great at products. Not everyone can be great at everything. Product design is, at this level, about your overall philosophy of product, and product portfolio, how they feel, how they fit together, and what is important, are we going pros, are we going consumers, why, how, etc. What do we want to see more of in the world, what is useful, how can we make it useful, and humane, and intuitive yet powerful. That's the product guy's job. Jobs, Ive, Forstall were product guys. Ive unfortunately kind of sometimes leaning into odd obsession with minimalism.
nottorp 3y ago
> I don't agree customers don't care about bugs, software quality and voice assistants I care but once in a while I have this project I need to run Windows 10 for and I'm reminded the grass is greener on my side. Same for Android tbh. Edit: to summarize, Apple is still the least shitty option.

nkotov 3y ago

I really respect Ives as a great product designer but not a great UI designer in my opinion. iOS 6 Skeuomorphism was taken to the extreme so that iOS 7 felt like a breathe of fresh air. Now everything just feels bland.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
There was a lot of air in iOS 7, and the fonts were so thin they were waving in the open breeze.

smt88 3y ago

> you can hear them complaining in literally every forum for Apple users My layperson friends seem not to know iOS has any bugs at all. They just seem to think software in general is flaky. And all those complainers still keep buying these things, so they don't care enough to switch. > Tim Cook needs a "product guy" to help him round out the management team. Why? Objectively speaking, why does he need a product guy? The company has been performing incredibly well as-is, and that's all he cares about and all he's paid to care about. Their brand doesn't seem to be suffering either, so they're doing well in the short and long terms.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
You're describing Tim Cook as some automaton who only cares about performance indicators and believe me you don't know him well if you think that. But the fact is he's good at operations, and not great at products. Not everyone can be great at everything. Product design is, at this level, about your overall philosophy of product, and product portfolio, how they feel, how they fit together, and what is important, are we going pros, are we going consumers, why, how, etc. What do we want to see more of in the world, what is useful, how can we make it useful, and humane, and intuitive yet powerful. That's the product guy's job. Jobs, Ive, Forstall were product guys. Ive unfortunately kind of sometimes leaning into odd obsession with minimalism.

nottorp 3y ago

> I don't agree customers don't care about bugs, software quality and voice assistants I care but once in a while I have this project I need to run Windows 10 for and I'm reminded the grass is greener on my side. Same for Android tbh. Edit: to summarize, Apple is still the least shitty option.