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German Cabinet approves liberalization of Cannabis Possession
- mock-possum 3y agoSo is this making just flower legal, within the bounds of personal use - or more likely, cannabis clubs? Or does this include legalizing the sale of THC products e.g. edibles or shatter?
- rbinv 3y agoThe law is rather complex (as is German tradition), but basically it legalizes cannabis social clubs, personal use with limited possession, and limited personal production (3 flowering plants at a time). Here are all the 183 pages: https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateien/3_Downloads/C/Cannabis/Gesetzentwurf_Cannabis_Kabinett.pdf https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/fileadmin/Dateie...
- gallexme 3y agoClubs Only hash n cannabis Personal ownership, potentially edibles made from flower only (any kind of extraction but cbd is illegal), and any kind of food/tobacco /nicotine/other drugs is illegal in social Club law
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- hestefisk 3y agoJunkies? Stop trolling.
- piva00 3y agoIt's also annoying to smell bad cologne liberally applied when walking around, or teenagers wearing a lot of Axe body spray, or body odor from non-showered people in the metro. Why can't they keep their smell in their homes?
- eska 3y agoI don’t think you’re doing your arguments favors by comparing weed smell to other avoidable bad smells of people people behaving anti-socially..
- fwn 3y agoAs an externality, secondhand smoke tends to affect others. Those affected usually aren't happy about it. There are many externalities that affect others... think of noise, smell, etc. Our parent chose smell as an example. I don't see what's wrong or inappropriate with that. In the end, you have to find some middle ground, and then you have to manage that middle ground, which usually means keeping at bay those who want to ban externalities as well as those who simply want to make no concessions to those affected. It's classic, really. This specific German draft contains very specific ideas on where you can and where you can not smoke and is about to radically reduce the spaces where patients can use medical cannabis as well. We'll see whether parliament will change that.
- version_five 3y agoYeah I thought that was ridiculous. Basically "other people throw garbage on the ground so I think it's fine to litter".
- version_five 3y agoLol it's amazing to see how defensive people get about letting people use their dirty drugs in public.
- piva00 3y agoGood luck trying to regulate how other people can smell in public. Littering at least is a very visible blight that can be somewhat enforced.
- version_five 3y agoIn Canada this has gotten way worse since it's been legalized. I belive it should be legal, but I don't belive being an asshole and burning super smelly stuff in the park or street or apartment should be tolerated by society. I have no idea what the solution is. Our condo building prohibits it, which I'm fine with because I don't use it, but I suppose if that's widespread it makes people go outside with it.
- locallost 3y agoMany things are super smelly. Some people apply an atrocious amount of perfume, but somehow we live with it. I also don't think weed smells that bad in an open area.
- ozmodiar 3y agoAnd some things like durian end up being restricted in places just for the smell. Places have so many scent policies now that it's been quite awhile since I really noticed a perfume on someone. Personally I think weed smell really lingers even outside, and can't stand it. I don't have an issue with it being legal though, but smell is a definite issue.
- yladiz 3y agoI know you're trolling, but humor me, why do you call people who smoke weed junkies?
- pixelpoet 3y agoCigarette smokers are by far the worst offenders for this here in Germany, stinking up everyone's apartments all summer long when we have to keep the windows open, sparking up on crowded train platforms without a care in the world... They're as addicted as they come, to a first class drug; are you going to call them "junkies" too? What about people who drink alcohol and make it everyone else's problem? Seriously, that language is offensive af, wisen up please. Edit: can't help but notice quite a lot of similarities between Dudester230602 and veave accounts (profile age, topics commented on, use of language, generally rocking the boat...).
- Euphorbium 3y agoWh cant prudes just stay at the church all of the time? There is no reason for them to be walking out and about.
- pluijzer 3y agoMaybe this will stop my car from being checked by the police, every, single, time, I drive through Germany with my dutch license plate.
- roge7331 3y agoAs long as people can't smoke and legally drive with the car the next day, it's useless for most
- x3ro 3y agoI see how this statement makes sense for some, but many people in Germany, especially in big cities, drive a car only a handful of times a year, if they even have a license.
- lasagna_coder 3y ago'many people' - less than a third of germans live in big cities. The vast majority of adults have licenses, almost all from the stats I see.
- distances 3y agoI don't think most people drive a car every day. Actually not sure that most people drive at all, especially in Germany.
- refurb 3y agoThere are 49M personal vehicles in Germany out of 83M people. You really think it’s that rare for a German to drive?
- distances 3y agoDidn't assume it's rare, just if it's the majority. But yeah your numbers clearly point to a majority being drivers. I guess even most public transport users do have a car then for occasional use.
- lasagna_coder 3y agoThere are many cars and many car owners and many car drivers in Germany, I think the stat is something like >3/4s Germans own cars. There happens to be public transport and bicycle infrastructure proportionate to the density of a region (ie more in cities), but lots of Germany is still rural, sparsely populated, and dominated by cars for getting around. If you aren't from/in Germany and visit it, you'll see how popular cars are here and that is unlikely to change soon.
- andrewstuart 3y agoI think cannabis should be legal but sold behind the counter with id checks to people over 18, with no advertising and no branding. You should not be allowed to smoke in public, only at home. Basically the same as cigarettes in Australia. Legal, cheap, available, but not commercial. Having said that, I’d be surprised if any level of legality happened in Australia in the next ten years. This is an extremely conservative country.
- _trackno5 3y agoOn top of that it should have the same rules applied to cigarette branding. Health risks need to be clearly exposed in the packaging
- NamTaf 3y agoAustralia is not the example to hold up for ‘cheap’. Cigarette taxes are amongst the highest there of anywhere. I also don’t share your pessimism with legalisation. It’s already tremendously easy to get a medical cannabis prescription, which is a route several of my mates have gone down. Moreover, look at the recent changes for MDMA and psilocybin therapy, in which Australia is a world leader. I instead think the major laggard will be around roadside testing - that’s where Australia’s strict driving whilst intoxicated framework will run up against the fact that current tests will show a positive result far after any effects are gone.
- newsclues 3y agoWeed has been legal in Canada for a few years. I've been smoking for years before that. No problems from smoking a joint in a park and going for a bike ride has never been a problem for me. Should Cannabis be more or less commercial than Alcohol?
- lambdaba 3y ago> You should not be allowed to smoke in public, only at home. Why?
- oslem 3y agoTo be honest, I don’t hate the smell but it is very pungent and dominates. Having been in several cities where marijuana is legalized, you can often only smell there smoke rather than getting to enjoy the smells of restaurants, food stands, and even just fresh laundry.
- LatteLazy 3y agoThe fact it isn't just legal in 90% of the world shows how out of touch most "democratic" governments are.
- staunton 3y agoIt does not. A lot of people, especially the rural populations across the world, are strongly opposed to the idea.
- bombolo 3y agoIn italy the constitutional court blocked a referendum on the matter to be held (I suppose because they didn't want people to turn up and vote, and there were other questions about the legal system that they preferred failing due to insufficient quorum).
- cannabis_sam 3y agoRural population are also strongly opposed to homosexuality, gender nonconformity, queers, atheism, non-dominant religions, alcohol, metalheads, goths, emos, scene kids etc. At least the amount of sundown towns have started to diminish. There’s still absolutely no reason to extend this provincial bigotry to national legislation. When the insanity is locally contained, the people discriminated against can at least leave the shithole.
- te_chris 3y agoOne of my biggest disappointments from Jacinda Ardern is that she hosted a referendum on legalisation, lost it 48/52, then instead of taking that as a mandate to at least decriminalise or whatever she did nothing.
- cies 3y agoMandatory Bill Hicks quote: "Isn't making a plant against the law the same as saying that God made a mistake?" We need some constitutional guarantee that reschedules all victimless crime to offenses at worst, or not a problem at best.
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- padjo 3y ago> The proposal would allow people over 18 to grow up to three cannabis plants for personal consumption and to possess up to 25 grams If I got 25g off 3 plants I’d be quite upset, so this doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. Am I missing something?
- saiya-jin 3y agoIt doesn't make any sense, law done by bureaucrats with no clue about the topic... I would expect country like Germany would leave this to actual neutral experts (ie not those running addiction clinics since they all keep telling everybody that all drugs should be banned completely forever... just like asking head of DEA in US how strict weed policies should be, well since its most of their work is cannabis no wonder it was handled for long time cca same as heroin).
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- gallexme 3y agoThe proposal before that had a clarification by Lauterbach that the alive plant does not count to the 25g, so u shouldn't grow 3 plants at same stage of life
- padjo 3y agoBut even 25g from one plant is on the low side! So you could easily have the farcical situation where you can grow weed but can’t legally harvest all of it!
- gallexme 3y agoCorrect :(, but smallest plants can only have 5-10g harvestable, having a big plant through lots of energy input which can have 100+g definitely is out of the scope of a Solo person consuming legally weed Having 3 plants would make the weed buds stale/old until u get to consume it (for the average consumer that is) the laws are dumb, but good first step
- subpixel 3y agoI live where Cannabis is completely legal and towns decide whether to approve or deny retail locations. In my view the benefits of legalization have mostly to do with counteracting the various downsides of enforcing laws that prohibit it. E.g. arresting people, harassing people, and creating a taboo-mystique that makes and keeps young people interested. What I don't see is any significant change in the way marijuana is perceived among adults. Few people will judge you harshly if you are a marijuana user, but it's not like people are now passing around joints at parties. In my group of friends I know a mom who is a bedtime stoner and a dad who eats a gummy most weekend days. I have a stash that I usually only break out when people are visiting from out of state - one $60 trip to the weed store easily lasts me a year. The 'new market' for marijuana is basically about regular users, people who desire and can tolerate marijuana on a daily basis. The product in the recreational shops is all about highest-potency, maximum-impact and that's what is driving the retail side of things. I don't see the market growing, in fact I think it's a race to the bottom as supply greatly exceeds demand. I used to think that over time marijuana would just wind up behind the counter at the gas station, but I now think it's most likely to remain roped off the way some US states only let special, single-purpose stores sell spirits.
- zakariya_og 3y agodisgusting eww, big woe to all those who consume drugs!!
- pixelpoet 3y agoWTF is up with the spam accounts on this topic? This one is literally created minutes ago just to post this trash comment.