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> So people in Taiwan have no say in what happens to them? No more than the people of the south had a say in what happened to them. Imagine if after the civi

> So people in Taiwan have no say in what happens to them? No more than the people of the south had a say in what happened to them. Imagine if after the civil war, china got involved and 'liberated' the south from the north. Taiwan is entirely a US creation. And china should take it back. Almost everywhere there is instability in east asia, it's the fault of the US. From japan to myamnar and everything in between.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago
As someone from India, this is false. How is the US responsible for China claiming Indian territory? Isn't China at odds with every neighbor except for NK? > Taiwan is entirely a US creation Do you forget that during WW2, US supported mainland China with aid? Without US opening up its market, mainland China wouldn't have developed so fast. In many ways that matter, current mainland China is more of a US creation than Taiwan. Also, Taiwanese people are not puppets. > And china should take it back Shouldn't and couldn't. The US accepts a one-China policy. So the other way could also happen. > Imagine if after the civil war, china got involved and 'liberated' the south from the north. The difference is slavery. Taiwan is not going against CCP in defense of slavery.
- goodbyesf 3y ago
  > As someone from India, this is false. How is the US responsible for China claiming Indian territory? Firstly, India is not in east asia. My comment was specificially on east asia. But even here we are indirectly involved due to britain using india to invade china. Funnily enough, it's called an 'expedition' rather than a failed invasion. As the 'successor' of the british empire, we are now the principal 'free tibet' agitators. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet Also, india claims chinese territory ( once again as a legacy of the british invasion of china from india ). Frankly, india and china have the same enemy. They should really be working together, not against each other. > Do you forget that during WW2, US supported mainland China with aid? We supported the 'nationalists' who were fighting the 'communists'. Guess which one is mainland china and which one is taiwan. > Without US opening up its market, mainland China wouldn't have developed so fast. You have it backwards again. Why do you repeat the same thing in so many threads? Are you part of a pr group or something? Just so strange. It's not the US that opened its market. It was china who opened its market to the US. This is basic history. Not just in the 1970s, but also in the 1800s as well. And it's not just china that advanced, it's the US that advanced as well. Crazy how a country can advance if the US isn't trying to destabilize or invade it. Huh? One can only imagine what india, iran, much of africa, south america, etc could be if we'd disappear or simply stop undermining or destroying these regions. > Also, Taiwanese people are not puppets. The people aren't but the elite are. They are our worthless puppets. > Shouldn't and couldn't. The US accepts a one-China policy. So the other way could also happen. They can and should. Not only that, they should broaden it into a racial or regional issue. White supremacy got east asia colonized, oppressed and nuked. Maybe turn the tables on us. > The difference is slavery. Taiwan is not going against CCP in defense of slavery. The civil war wasn't about slavery either. The north had slave states - maryland, delaware, missouri, kentucky, west virginia. 'The Emancipation Proclamation did not free all slaves in the U.S., contrary to a common misconception; it applied in the ten states that were still in rebellion on January 1, 1863, but it did not cover the nearly 500,000 slaves in the slaveholding border states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware) or in parts of Virginia and Louisiana that were no longer in rebellion.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation But your point is moot since the supreme court declared secession to be illegal. We, in the US, legally do not believe in self-determination by a group of people. Stop getting your 'history' from propaganda. My advice, go look it up and dig just one layer deeper and you'll realize most 'history' is nonsense.

cscurmudgeon 3y ago

As someone from India, this is false. How is the US responsible for China claiming Indian territory? Isn't China at odds with every neighbor except for NK? > Taiwan is entirely a US creation Do you forget that during WW2, US supported mainland China with aid? Without US opening up its market, mainland China wouldn't have developed so fast. In many ways that matter, current mainland China is more of a US creation than Taiwan. Also, Taiwanese people are not puppets. > And china should take it back Shouldn't and couldn't. The US accepts a one-China policy. So the other way could also happen. > Imagine if after the civil war, china got involved and 'liberated' the south from the north. The difference is slavery. Taiwan is not going against CCP in defense of slavery.

goodbyesf 3y ago
> As someone from India, this is false. How is the US responsible for China claiming Indian territory? Firstly, India is not in east asia. My comment was specificially on east asia. But even here we are indirectly involved due to britain using india to invade china. Funnily enough, it's called an 'expedition' rather than a failed invasion. As the 'successor' of the british empire, we are now the principal 'free tibet' agitators. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet Also, india claims chinese territory ( once again as a legacy of the british invasion of china from india ). Frankly, india and china have the same enemy. They should really be working together, not against each other. > Do you forget that during WW2, US supported mainland China with aid? We supported the 'nationalists' who were fighting the 'communists'. Guess which one is mainland china and which one is taiwan. > Without US opening up its market, mainland China wouldn't have developed so fast. You have it backwards again. Why do you repeat the same thing in so many threads? Are you part of a pr group or something? Just so strange. It's not the US that opened its market. It was china who opened its market to the US. This is basic history. Not just in the 1970s, but also in the 1800s as well. And it's not just china that advanced, it's the US that advanced as well. Crazy how a country can advance if the US isn't trying to destabilize or invade it. Huh? One can only imagine what india, iran, much of africa, south america, etc could be if we'd disappear or simply stop undermining or destroying these regions. > Also, Taiwanese people are not puppets. The people aren't but the elite are. They are our worthless puppets. > Shouldn't and couldn't. The US accepts a one-China policy. So the other way could also happen. They can and should. Not only that, they should broaden it into a racial or regional issue. White supremacy got east asia colonized, oppressed and nuked. Maybe turn the tables on us. > The difference is slavery. Taiwan is not going against CCP in defense of slavery. The civil war wasn't about slavery either. The north had slave states - maryland, delaware, missouri, kentucky, west virginia. 'The Emancipation Proclamation did not free all slaves in the U.S., contrary to a common misconception; it applied in the ten states that were still in rebellion on January 1, 1863, but it did not cover the nearly 500,000 slaves in the slaveholding border states (Missouri, Kentucky, Maryland, and Delaware) or in parts of Virginia and Louisiana that were no longer in rebellion.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation But your point is moot since the supreme court declared secession to be illegal. We, in the US, legally do not believe in self-determination by a group of people. Stop getting your 'history' from propaganda. My advice, go look it up and dig just one layer deeper and you'll realize most 'history' is nonsense.