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My interpretation is since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist she has had an antagonistic relationship with them. I've replied and responded to som

by yardie 3y ago

My interpretation is since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist she has had an antagonistic relationship with them. I've replied and responded to some of her Tweets and she definitely has her own identity that doesn't line up with what Western users think. I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. What I had not anticipated was her needing the exposure to Western media to keep her safe. I naively assumed it was the opposite. Like if she didn't stand to high or make much noise it would be water under the bridge. Once the politburo realized the Westerners weren't that interested in her they pounced. Wherever she is I hope she's safe.

passterby 3y ago
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dayvid 3y ago
She equally called out men being sexist as well as women who didn't like the idea of a female in STEM with a bimbo aesthetic.
paleface 3y ago
> […] since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist […] South Korean journalist, self declared [supposed] “feminist”, and anti white racist - Sarah Jeong - working for Western media outlet Vice. I hope she’s satisfied with her handiwork!…
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    Paleface is citing her as an example of such a western journalist...
    - jrflowers 3y ago
      This makes sense. “South Korean journalist” is a very clear way of saying “western journalist” also I’m sure “anti white racist” isn’t any sort of culture war word salad.
      - w5uq35yuq 3y ago
        Explanation requested. I guess it's missing a hyphen but "anti white racist" is a pretty thin salad at three words and not especially ambiguous in terms of the politics it implies.
        jrflowers 3y ago
        > not especially ambiguous in terms of the politics it implies. What politics are those?
        paleface 3y ago
        Yes, I’d also like to know what politics I’m supposed to be implying?! For the record, and despite the handle, I’m not “white”. A “quadroon”, if you must!… Furthermore, I’m politically neutral - abstaining from voting, fully. I’m not American, either…
      - mcpackieh 3y ago
        A South Korean working for an American media organization, specifically called out as western, is a western journalist as I see it. The term "Western" is imprecise and should usually be avoided for this reason, but South Korea itself is often ranked among the Western nations in the economic and geopolitical alignment senses of the term. And it's fair to say that any journalist working for an American media organization is a western journalist, in any sense of the term. Mentioning that somebody is from South Korea does not constitute a refutation of that person being a western journalist, nor do I believe that was the intention. In any case, the rest of palefaces's comment plainly criticizes Sarah Jeong for doing the thing quoted: "since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist" by sarcastically suggesting that Sarah Jeong should feel satisfied. Sarcasm is problematic, particularly in text, but I think in this case the sarcasm is clear. paleface's comment provides details which substantiate the claims, they aren't refuting it. Incidentally, I think your comment employs sarcasm too. But just to be safe, "This makes sense" is you being sarcastic, right? You think this actually doesn't make sense? > I’m sure “anti white racist” isn’t any sort of culture war word salad. I am virtually certain that claim refers to this [quoted from wikipedia]: > "In August 2018, Jeong was hired by The New York Times to join its editorial board as lead writer on technology.[18][19] The hiring sparked a strongly negative reaction in conservative media, which highlighted derogatory tweets about white people that Jeong had posted mostly in 2013 and 2014.[20][21][22] Critics characterized her tweets as being racist; Jeong released an apology,[23][24] saying that the tweets were meant to satirize online harassment toward her as a woman of color.[20][25]" Whether or not you find the satire excuse credible, this incident is plainly the basis for the accusation of Sarah Jeong being racist. It may not be a perspective you agree with, I haven't bothered to look up the tweets and their context so I don't have an opinion one way or the other concerning Sarah Jeong actually being a racist or merely satirizing racism. But regardless of whether you agree with the claim it's not 'word salad' e.g. the incoherent speech of a schizophrenic. She would not have said her statements were satire of racism unless her statements could be reasonably construed as resembling racism. Satire of a thing will inherently resemble the thing, so teasing out the difference will be an exercise in subjective judgement. Tacitly accusing somebody of mental illness because you disagree with their subjective interpretation of ostensible satire is inappropriate.
  - hwillis 3y ago
    No, I'm pretty sure they're just saying she should have known better. Vice were the ones who outed Naomi.
  - paleface 3y ago
    I’m providing context, to the parent comment. My reasoning is multi faceted. You’re welcome to read whatever you like, into why I provided the aforementioned context - but it’s probable, you’d be wrong. > […] and is a US citizen […] From 2017, according to Wikipedia. I’ve been following the rise of Naomi Wu, for a long time. I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Magazine - simply because she was a woman, who didn’t fit the dowdy/frumpy stereotype, en vogue with the supposed “community”. In fact, they went so far as to claim, there was a hidden man/husband, controlling her, behind the scenes. Now it transpires she’s gay, they have even more to answer for - in their quest, in trying to gatekeep, who does, and doesn’t, fit the approved imagery of hackerdom.
    - reducesuffering 3y ago
      > My reasoning is multi faceted. You’re welcome to read whatever you like, into why I provided the aforementioned context - but it’s probable, you’d be wrong. Your reasoning is multi faceted, but instead of explaining your reasoning you waste your breath telling me I'm probably wrong? Good explanation. I don't really care why you did it. Just that you're incorrect in adding "South Korean journalist" as a follow-on to her being labelled a "Western journalist."
    - Chris2048 3y ago
      > I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Magazine - simply because she was a woman.. Did he say that? because many have said the same for other reasons. > they went so far as to claim, there was a hidden man/husband, controlling her, behind the scenes They did. Any refutation, beyond moral outrage?
rhaway84773 3y ago
> I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. If that was the case wouldn’t the CCP silencing her generate a ton of Western media attention? Who needs a freedom fighter to warn about what the CCP can do when you can actually show the CCP doing it.
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nirui 3y ago
> I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. Let's don't forget about the real-world context here which includes the on going large scale trade war against China, and there are US generals floating on a boat nearby ready to fight and won. Not to judge what's right and wrong here, but under this situation, you just don't think a Chinese, who's probably has good relationships with many of the negatively impacted, to further support the western narrative that (as many Chinese views it) too promoted the trade war. The medias wants a perfect movie, a great story that they can tell and sell. Hero v.s. monster, good v.s. evil, this kind of things. And under this influence, many people views the world with this expectation. But reality is more complex, and everybody move based on their interests, including political ones. The real question the media should be asking themselves is, why should Naomi Wu take the risk? She mostly already living her dream life, all is well for her and everyone she cares, why change it and diminishes her future opportunities?

by yardie 3y ago

passterby 3y ago

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dayvid 3y ago

She equally called out men being sexist as well as women who didn't like the idea of a female in STEM with a bimbo aesthetic.

paleface 3y ago

> […] since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist […] South Korean journalist, self declared [supposed] “feminist”, and anti white racist - Sarah Jeong - working for Western media outlet Vice. I hope she’s satisfied with her handiwork!…

reducesuffering 3y ago
You’re refuting her being a Western journalist because of her ethnicity? She’s been in the US since she was 3 years old, raised Southern Baptist, attended Ivies, and is a US citizen…
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Paleface is citing her as an example of such a western journalist...
  - jrflowers 3y ago
    This makes sense. “South Korean journalist” is a very clear way of saying “western journalist” also I’m sure “anti white racist” isn’t any sort of culture war word salad.
    - w5uq35yuq 3y ago
      Explanation requested. I guess it's missing a hyphen but "anti white racist" is a pretty thin salad at three words and not especially ambiguous in terms of the politics it implies.
      - jrflowers 3y ago
        > not especially ambiguous in terms of the politics it implies. What politics are those?
        paleface 3y ago
        Yes, I’d also like to know what politics I’m supposed to be implying?! For the record, and despite the handle, I’m not “white”. A “quadroon”, if you must!… Furthermore, I’m politically neutral - abstaining from voting, fully. I’m not American, either…
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      A South Korean working for an American media organization, specifically called out as western, is a western journalist as I see it. The term "Western" is imprecise and should usually be avoided for this reason, but South Korea itself is often ranked among the Western nations in the economic and geopolitical alignment senses of the term. And it's fair to say that any journalist working for an American media organization is a western journalist, in any sense of the term. Mentioning that somebody is from South Korea does not constitute a refutation of that person being a western journalist, nor do I believe that was the intention. In any case, the rest of palefaces's comment plainly criticizes Sarah Jeong for doing the thing quoted: "since her sexuality was outed by a Western journalist" by sarcastically suggesting that Sarah Jeong should feel satisfied. Sarcasm is problematic, particularly in text, but I think in this case the sarcasm is clear. paleface's comment provides details which substantiate the claims, they aren't refuting it. Incidentally, I think your comment employs sarcasm too. But just to be safe, "This makes sense" is you being sarcastic, right? You think this actually doesn't make sense? > I’m sure “anti white racist” isn’t any sort of culture war word salad. I am virtually certain that claim refers to this [quoted from wikipedia]: > "In August 2018, Jeong was hired by The New York Times to join its editorial board as lead writer on technology.[18][19] The hiring sparked a strongly negative reaction in conservative media, which highlighted derogatory tweets about white people that Jeong had posted mostly in 2013 and 2014.[20][21][22] Critics characterized her tweets as being racist; Jeong released an apology,[23][24] saying that the tweets were meant to satirize online harassment toward her as a woman of color.[20][25]" Whether or not you find the satire excuse credible, this incident is plainly the basis for the accusation of Sarah Jeong being racist. It may not be a perspective you agree with, I haven't bothered to look up the tweets and their context so I don't have an opinion one way or the other concerning Sarah Jeong actually being a racist or merely satirizing racism. But regardless of whether you agree with the claim it's not 'word salad' e.g. the incoherent speech of a schizophrenic. She would not have said her statements were satire of racism unless her statements could be reasonably construed as resembling racism. Satire of a thing will inherently resemble the thing, so teasing out the difference will be an exercise in subjective judgement. Tacitly accusing somebody of mental illness because you disagree with their subjective interpretation of ostensible satire is inappropriate.
- hwillis 3y ago
  No, I'm pretty sure they're just saying she should have known better. Vice were the ones who outed Naomi.
- paleface 3y ago
  I’m providing context, to the parent comment. My reasoning is multi faceted. You’re welcome to read whatever you like, into why I provided the aforementioned context - but it’s probable, you’d be wrong. > […] and is a US citizen […] From 2017, according to Wikipedia. I’ve been following the rise of Naomi Wu, for a long time. I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Magazine - simply because she was a woman, who didn’t fit the dowdy/frumpy stereotype, en vogue with the supposed “community”. In fact, they went so far as to claim, there was a hidden man/husband, controlling her, behind the scenes. Now it transpires she’s gay, they have even more to answer for - in their quest, in trying to gatekeep, who does, and doesn’t, fit the approved imagery of hackerdom.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    > My reasoning is multi faceted. You’re welcome to read whatever you like, into why I provided the aforementioned context - but it’s probable, you’d be wrong. Your reasoning is multi faceted, but instead of explaining your reasoning you waste your breath telling me I'm probably wrong? Good explanation. I don't really care why you did it. Just that you're incorrect in adding "South Korean journalist" as a follow-on to her being labelled a "Western journalist."
  - Chris2048 3y ago
    > I’ve seen her skills, and abilities, called into question by Dale Dougherty, of Make Media/Magazine - simply because she was a woman.. Did he say that? because many have said the same for other reasons. > they went so far as to claim, there was a hidden man/husband, controlling her, behind the scenes They did. Any refutation, beyond moral outrage?

rhaway84773 3y ago

> I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. If that was the case wouldn’t the CCP silencing her generate a ton of Western media attention? Who needs a freedom fighter to warn about what the CCP can do when you can actually show the CCP doing it.

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nirui 3y ago

> I think they wanted a freedom fighter based in China to criticize the CCP and she was not taking the bait. Let's don't forget about the real-world context here which includes the on going large scale trade war against China, and there are US generals floating on a boat nearby ready to fight and won. Not to judge what's right and wrong here, but under this situation, you just don't think a Chinese, who's probably has good relationships with many of the negatively impacted, to further support the western narrative that (as many Chinese views it) too promoted the trade war. The medias wants a perfect movie, a great story that they can tell and sell. Hero v.s. monster, good v.s. evil, this kind of things. And under this influence, many people views the world with this expectation. But reality is more complex, and everybody move based on their interests, including political ones. The real question the media should be asking themselves is, why should Naomi Wu take the risk? She mostly already living her dream life, all is well for her and everyone she cares, why change it and diminishes her future opportunities?