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What’s going to be the name used for the laws that attempt to tackle machine paraphrasing?

jondwillis 3y ago
"Protecting Against Rephrasing: Respecting Original Texts Act" or the "P.A.R.R.O.T Act" or "Battling Unlawful Language: Limit Scraping and Harness Initial Texts Act" or the "B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T Act".
- jvanderbot 3y ago
  This is good. Have you considered working for NASA or a major government defense contractor?
dragonwriter 3y ago
Copyright law. Which already covers both mechanical duplication, including mechnaical duplication with automatic alterations to evade detection while continuing to reproduce protect elements if the original.
- thrwayaistartup 3y ago
  > including mechnaical duplication with automatic alterations to evade detection while continuing to reproduce protect elements if the original. That's super interesting and is news to me. Thanks for sharing. Would you mind linking to relevant statutes or court decisions? (This isn't a "citation needed" post -- I believe you, and I'm genuinely curious to read more, but can't find anything!)
twoodfin 3y ago
Paraphrasing is not the issue. The issue is that OpenAI copied the Times’ creative works into a GPU to train a model. That copy was likely neither licensed nor fair use.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  Personally, I think the Times has a far better case for presenting mechanical copies (including with mechanical alteration) than it does with model training. The tool building of model training is more likely to be fair use than the use of the tool to provide mechanical copies of copyirght-protected material that competes directly with the original in the market.
  - twoodfin 3y ago
    What makes you think that? The most relevant case is probably MAI Systems, where even a copy of a licensed program into RAM for an unlicensed use (diagnosis and repair by a third party) was deemed a violation. Congress took the ruling seriously enough to carve out a fair use exception for that use. I don’t think there’s any comparable exception here, especially when the ultimate purpose is to build a commercial product capable of producing works (news reports) in precisely the same market as the original works.
  - swalling 3y ago
    Fair use only covers very limited circumstances which probably does not include selling a subscription (ChatGPT+). If you’re selling a repackaged reproduction of someone else’s copyrighted works, that’s never protected by fair use.
    - Scion9066 3y ago
      But you generally can't copyright the underlying facts, only the creative expression in the article/work itself. If they can get it to extract just the facts and how they relate to one another, that wouldn't really be protected by copyright. They might try to bring back the "Hot News" doctrine though.
      - swalling 3y ago
        The models not only were trained on copyrighted works, but when prompted will substantially and repeatedly reproduce copies of creative work (not just facts). That's infringement. https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-openai-meta-chatgpt-llama-copyright-infringement-chatbots-artificial-intelligence-ai https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-o...
VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
Guidelines for Assuring Responsible Behavior in AI Generated Expressions G.A.R.B.A.G.E.

"Protecting Against Rephrasing: Respecting Original Texts Act" or the "P.A.R.R.O.T Act" or "Battling Unlawful Language: Limit Scraping and Harness Initial Texts Act" or the "B.U.L.L.S.H.I.T Act".

jvanderbot 3y ago
This is good. Have you considered working for NASA or a major government defense contractor?

dragonwriter 3y ago

Copyright law. Which already covers both mechanical duplication, including mechnaical duplication with automatic alterations to evade detection while continuing to reproduce protect elements if the original.

thrwayaistartup 3y ago
> including mechnaical duplication with automatic alterations to evade detection while continuing to reproduce protect elements if the original. That's super interesting and is news to me. Thanks for sharing. Would you mind linking to relevant statutes or court decisions? (This isn't a "citation needed" post -- I believe you, and I'm genuinely curious to read more, but can't find anything!)

twoodfin 3y ago

Paraphrasing is not the issue. The issue is that OpenAI copied the Times’ creative works into a GPU to train a model. That copy was likely neither licensed nor fair use.

dragonwriter 3y ago
Personally, I think the Times has a far better case for presenting mechanical copies (including with mechanical alteration) than it does with model training. The tool building of model training is more likely to be fair use than the use of the tool to provide mechanical copies of copyirght-protected material that competes directly with the original in the market.
- twoodfin 3y ago
  What makes you think that? The most relevant case is probably MAI Systems, where even a copy of a licensed program into RAM for an unlicensed use (diagnosis and repair by a third party) was deemed a violation. Congress took the ruling seriously enough to carve out a fair use exception for that use. I don’t think there’s any comparable exception here, especially when the ultimate purpose is to build a commercial product capable of producing works (news reports) in precisely the same market as the original works.
- swalling 3y ago
  Fair use only covers very limited circumstances which probably does not include selling a subscription (ChatGPT+). If you’re selling a repackaged reproduction of someone else’s copyrighted works, that’s never protected by fair use.
  - Scion9066 3y ago
    But you generally can't copyright the underlying facts, only the creative expression in the article/work itself. If they can get it to extract just the facts and how they relate to one another, that wouldn't really be protected by copyright. They might try to bring back the "Hot News" doctrine though.
    - swalling 3y ago
      The models not only were trained on copyrighted works, but when prompted will substantially and repeatedly reproduce copies of creative work (not just facts). That's infringement. https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-openai-meta-chatgpt-llama-copyright-infringement-chatbots-artificial-intelligence-ai https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-o...

VWWHFSfQ 3y ago

Guidelines for Assuring Responsible Behavior in AI Generated Expressions G.A.R.B.A.G.E.