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I really don't think it's some horrendous oversight to expect that people will be kind to a service that you offer. If you offer anonymous and free image uploa

by Xanza 3y ago

I really don't think it's some horrendous oversight to expect that people will be kind to a service that you offer. If you offer anonymous and free image uploading it's not wrong to assume that not 100% of your traffic will be pornographic uploads and I also don't think it's wrong that if after years of your offering, if you get to the point where all of your uploads are porn, that you feel the need to shutdown your service. Nobody is entitled to do bad things with good tools.

39 3y ago
Why is porn bad?
- pixl97 3y ago
  Lets refine this further... Why is child porn bad... And, why will the government punish you out of existence if you allow the trafficking of it?
- constantly 3y ago
  In theory nothing assuming it involves only consenting adults. In practice it’s very exploitative of vulnerable people to such a degree that it becomes ethically fraught.
- deleted 3y ago
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dragonwriter 3y ago
> I really don't think it's some horrendous oversight to expect that people will be kind to a service that you offer. Its not like anonymous file hosting on the internet was a new thing two years ago. It very much is a major oversight to offer (or acquire) a service in an existing, established segment and have no idea what the usage patterns and challenges in that segment are. > If you offer anonymous and free image uploading it's not wrong to assume that not 100% of your traffic will be pornographic uploads Its file, not just image, hosting, but, yeah, you should probably assume that the stuff that the most controversial aspect of it is that it is just porn will be toward the milder end. And their piece doesn't say “porn” it says “abuse”.
deaddodo 3y ago
I doubt porn was the major impetus. I'm guessing CP (technically porn, sure; probably not what you meant), death/gore videos, pirated software/media, etc were the main issue.
- pixl97 3y ago
  Yea, CP on anonymous and messed up shares has been a problem for just about forever. Saw a company that accidently DMZ'd their printer with a public IP, and this had to be over 15 years ago at this point. Had anony ftp open on it, and yea, exactly what you expect happened.
- Pannoniae 3y ago
  How is pirated software an issue or "abuse" in any way? Just take it down when you get a DMCA request and that's about it. I think it's much more likely that people used it to host CP and malware....
- kristopolous 3y ago
  Anything illegal on these forums is going to be encrypted with the decrypt passwords shared over tor sites. It's not like people are posting a cleartext version of stolen_credit_cards.csv The operators don't know what's being posted. This is a problem because it's what's called "inducement of a crime" - it's like if you say "We are a bar that doesn't check IDs" - you have a responsibility that comes with the operations. If you have a bunch of underage people in the bar because of your policy of not checking IDs, that responsibility falls on you. When you choose to forego responsibilities, you get that secondary liability. See Kim Dotcom, MGM Studios, Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 545 U.S. 913 and Arista Records LLC v. Lime Group LLC. The courts have spoken many times on this and with a single voice. You can have a service, then turn your head close your eyes and say "we'll just let freedom happen" but that doesn't excuse you from being responsible for what happens.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    Anyone can upload encrypted data to anything. You can do the same thing with Pastebin or Google Drive or Reddit or AWS. And there are many lawful reasons to want to be anonymous. > See Kim Dotcom. Megaupload got in trouble because their employees actively knew about and participated in infringement. Mega.com, which encrypts everything by default so they don't know what it is, is... still there?
ChoHag 3y ago
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by Xanza 3y ago

39 3y ago

Why is porn bad?

pixl97 3y ago
Lets refine this further... Why is child porn bad... And, why will the government punish you out of existence if you allow the trafficking of it?
constantly 3y ago
In theory nothing assuming it involves only consenting adults. In practice it’s very exploitative of vulnerable people to such a degree that it becomes ethically fraught.
deleted 3y ago
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dragonwriter 3y ago

> I really don't think it's some horrendous oversight to expect that people will be kind to a service that you offer. Its not like anonymous file hosting on the internet was a new thing two years ago. It very much is a major oversight to offer (or acquire) a service in an existing, established segment and have no idea what the usage patterns and challenges in that segment are. > If you offer anonymous and free image uploading it's not wrong to assume that not 100% of your traffic will be pornographic uploads Its file, not just image, hosting, but, yeah, you should probably assume that the stuff that the most controversial aspect of it is that it is just porn will be toward the milder end. And their piece doesn't say “porn” it says “abuse”.

deaddodo 3y ago

I doubt porn was the major impetus. I'm guessing CP (technically porn, sure; probably not what you meant), death/gore videos, pirated software/media, etc were the main issue.

pixl97 3y ago
Yea, CP on anonymous and messed up shares has been a problem for just about forever. Saw a company that accidently DMZ'd their printer with a public IP, and this had to be over 15 years ago at this point. Had anony ftp open on it, and yea, exactly what you expect happened.
Pannoniae 3y ago
How is pirated software an issue or "abuse" in any way? Just take it down when you get a DMCA request and that's about it. I think it's much more likely that people used it to host CP and malware....
kristopolous 3y ago
Anything illegal on these forums is going to be encrypted with the decrypt passwords shared over tor sites. It's not like people are posting a cleartext version of stolen_credit_cards.csv The operators don't know what's being posted. This is a problem because it's what's called "inducement of a crime" - it's like if you say "We are a bar that doesn't check IDs" - you have a responsibility that comes with the operations. If you have a bunch of underage people in the bar because of your policy of not checking IDs, that responsibility falls on you. When you choose to forego responsibilities, you get that secondary liability. See Kim Dotcom, MGM Studios, Inc. v. Grokster, Ltd., 545 U.S. 913 and Arista Records LLC v. Lime Group LLC. The courts have spoken many times on this and with a single voice. You can have a service, then turn your head close your eyes and say "we'll just let freedom happen" but that doesn't excuse you from being responsible for what happens.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  Anyone can upload encrypted data to anything. You can do the same thing with Pastebin or Google Drive or Reddit or AWS. And there are many lawful reasons to want to be anonymous. > See Kim Dotcom. Megaupload got in trouble because their employees actively knew about and participated in infringement. Mega.com, which encrypts everything by default so they don't know what it is, is... still there?

ChoHag 3y ago

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