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I really thought Biden was the wrong guy for the job, with his old-school style of sitting down at the table and negotiating it out being rather poorly suited f

I really thought Biden was the wrong guy for the job, with his old-school style of sitting down at the table and negotiating it out being rather poorly suited for the hyper-partisan world of today. He made me look pretty dumb there, and I couldn't be happier about it. Amazing to see that for all the Republican talk of bringing manufacturing back to the US, a Democrat's the one who actually got that done.

HDThoreaun 3y ago
The issue is there really is no other choice than negotiating, even if it is poorly suited for the hyper-partisan world of today. The alternative is everything is filibustered and Manchin refuses to override that, meaning nothing passes and the republican strategy of just shutting everything down works.
jonnycomputer 3y ago
I think he's been the most effective Democratic President of my life time. Possibly any President, not just the Republican ones. And he did it by being everything the loudmouth was not. Quiet, serious and disciplined.
- jfengel 3y ago
  It's a strong case, but there's also a strong case to be made for his predecessor -- for which he had Biden's help. Biden aptly described the Affordable Care Act as a "big fucking deal". The ACA is severely limited, but getting anything at all passed was a superhuman effort. It was a ton of ground-level politicking, taking advantage of a brief moment of Obama's extraordinary popularity. It might be his only real legislative accomplishment, but it's the most influential piece of legislation in decades. Obama and Biden had somewhat similar styles in that regard. Obama led the country out of the 2007 recession. For the most part it wasn't flashy, just slow and steady growth without drama. (He was known as No Drama Obama among the DC bureaucrats.) He himself was much prettier than Biden and inherently more interesting as a human being, so he got more celebrity. But his actual governance was also similarly "quiet, serious, and disciplined".
  - jonnycomputer 3y ago
    The ACA is a BFD, for sure. And I do think that the recovery was hamstrung by not going big enough, unlike the most recent one. Though, different kinds of recessions, so who knows. The real issue I see with Obama is that he was not very good at out-reach to Congress. Some of this was not his fault, but it really wasn't his strong point, or something he even seemed to put much effort in to doing. In that way--partly by personality and partly by his long experience in Congress--Biden is simply better. It is possible that Obama would have been a better post-Trump President than Biden--I'm certain he'd win against Trump in a landslide--but we'll never know. Certainly it is the case that sometimes it is the opportunities you have--or what the country is ready for--that makes for the success of a presidency, along with a giant gob of good luck. No Drama Obama, No Cryin' Biden.
twoodfin 3y ago
Manufacturing never left: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/manufacturing-output https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/manu...
ketzo 3y ago
idk how much "sitting down at the table and negotiating" mattered when every Republican in both houses of Congress voted "nay" not to take away from the bill itself, but it seems like the most important thing was that Democrats just controlled house/senate/white house at the same time and couldn't be easily blocked
- ceejayoz 3y ago
  At the very least, passage required Senate Republicans not to fillibuster. Democrats have 51 seats there, and need 60 to get most things through.

HDThoreaun 3y ago

The issue is there really is no other choice than negotiating, even if it is poorly suited for the hyper-partisan world of today. The alternative is everything is filibustered and Manchin refuses to override that, meaning nothing passes and the republican strategy of just shutting everything down works.

jonnycomputer 3y ago

I think he's been the most effective Democratic President of my life time. Possibly any President, not just the Republican ones. And he did it by being everything the loudmouth was not. Quiet, serious and disciplined.

jfengel 3y ago
It's a strong case, but there's also a strong case to be made for his predecessor -- for which he had Biden's help. Biden aptly described the Affordable Care Act as a "big fucking deal". The ACA is severely limited, but getting anything at all passed was a superhuman effort. It was a ton of ground-level politicking, taking advantage of a brief moment of Obama's extraordinary popularity. It might be his only real legislative accomplishment, but it's the most influential piece of legislation in decades. Obama and Biden had somewhat similar styles in that regard. Obama led the country out of the 2007 recession. For the most part it wasn't flashy, just slow and steady growth without drama. (He was known as No Drama Obama among the DC bureaucrats.) He himself was much prettier than Biden and inherently more interesting as a human being, so he got more celebrity. But his actual governance was also similarly "quiet, serious, and disciplined".
- jonnycomputer 3y ago
  The ACA is a BFD, for sure. And I do think that the recovery was hamstrung by not going big enough, unlike the most recent one. Though, different kinds of recessions, so who knows. The real issue I see with Obama is that he was not very good at out-reach to Congress. Some of this was not his fault, but it really wasn't his strong point, or something he even seemed to put much effort in to doing. In that way--partly by personality and partly by his long experience in Congress--Biden is simply better. It is possible that Obama would have been a better post-Trump President than Biden--I'm certain he'd win against Trump in a landslide--but we'll never know. Certainly it is the case that sometimes it is the opportunities you have--or what the country is ready for--that makes for the success of a presidency, along with a giant gob of good luck. No Drama Obama, No Cryin' Biden.

twoodfin 3y ago

Manufacturing never left: https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/manufacturing-output https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/manu...

ketzo 3y ago

idk how much "sitting down at the table and negotiating" mattered when every Republican in both houses of Congress voted "nay" not to take away from the bill itself, but it seems like the most important thing was that Democrats just controlled house/senate/white house at the same time and couldn't be easily blocked

ceejayoz 3y ago
At the very least, passage required Senate Republicans not to fillibuster. Democrats have 51 seats there, and need 60 to get most things through.