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>> If you ban too much stuff, people will just carry a second device. Good! People are free to purchase a personal phone and do whatever they want on their per

>> If you ban too much stuff, people will just carry a second device. Good! People are free to purchase a personal phone and do whatever they want on their personal device.

TylerE 3y ago
Not good if the 2nd device is always carried, and exposes tons of stuff the first doesn't.
- TuringNYC 3y ago
  > Not good if the 2nd device is always carried, and exposes tons of stuff the first doesn't. There are three concerns here: Concern 1: Government employees being paid to do work, but instead spending time on TikTok. -- yes, a 2nd device makes this worse, but certainly banning government devices are a necessary (though not sufficient) step here. Concern 2: Confidential government data obtained by apps with broad permissions -- solved by moving TikTok off government device and onto personal device, as the personal device shouldnt have government data on it (e.g., tax records, health records, personal records of citizens) Concern 3: ALL data exposed to foreign governments via TikTok and other apps - still, banning government devices are a necessary (though not sufficient) step here. NYC doesnt have jurisdiction over all citizen behaviors, and this needs to be decided federally realistically. Now, if the 2nd decide is a government device also, then no problem! TikTok is already banned on the 2nd device also. As will be for the 3rd and 4th government device. If the 2nd device is a personal device with government documents, you have a much different problem of why that is the case.
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Consider how handy it would be for a foreign intelligence service to know where 75% of cities law enforcement agents are in essentially real time. That's the sort of vector I'm thinking about.
    - gowld 3y ago
      It's a fun spy-movie idea, but none of our foreign enemies are robbing banks and such.
      - TylerE 3y ago
        https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-operating-illegal-overseas-police-station-chinese-government https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-operating-illega...
        hgsgm 3y ago
        Which has nothing to do with tracking the movements of law enforcement.
        TylerE 3y ago
        It's literally Chinese nationals in NYC spying on US citizens, who were shut down after being found by law enforcement.
- randallsquared 3y ago
  That's a problem that has to be solved for separately anyway, so driving your employees to have personal devices for personal activities doesn't make it materially worse.

>> If you ban too much stuff, people will just carry a second device. Good! People are free to purchase a personal phone and do whatever they want on their personal device.

TylerE 3y ago

Not good if the 2nd device is always carried, and exposes tons of stuff the first doesn't.

TuringNYC 3y ago
> Not good if the 2nd device is always carried, and exposes tons of stuff the first doesn't. There are three concerns here: Concern 1: Government employees being paid to do work, but instead spending time on TikTok. -- yes, a 2nd device makes this worse, but certainly banning government devices are a necessary (though not sufficient) step here. Concern 2: Confidential government data obtained by apps with broad permissions -- solved by moving TikTok off government device and onto personal device, as the personal device shouldnt have government data on it (e.g., tax records, health records, personal records of citizens) Concern 3: ALL data exposed to foreign governments via TikTok and other apps - still, banning government devices are a necessary (though not sufficient) step here. NYC doesnt have jurisdiction over all citizen behaviors, and this needs to be decided federally realistically. Now, if the 2nd decide is a government device also, then no problem! TikTok is already banned on the 2nd device also. As will be for the 3rd and 4th government device. If the 2nd device is a personal device with government documents, you have a much different problem of why that is the case.
- TylerE 3y ago
  Consider how handy it would be for a foreign intelligence service to know where 75% of cities law enforcement agents are in essentially real time. That's the sort of vector I'm thinking about.
  - gowld 3y ago
    It's a fun spy-movie idea, but none of our foreign enemies are robbing banks and such.
    - TylerE 3y ago
      https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-operating-illegal-overseas-police-station-chinese-government https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/two-arrested-operating-illega...
      - hgsgm 3y ago
        Which has nothing to do with tracking the movements of law enforcement.
        TylerE 3y ago
        It's literally Chinese nationals in NYC spying on US citizens, who were shut down after being found by law enforcement.
randallsquared 3y ago
That's a problem that has to be solved for separately anyway, so driving your employees to have personal devices for personal activities doesn't make it materially worse.