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It is NOT curation, it is literally banning them from the library Just because it isn't a 100% ban on sales and possession also does not mean it is not a ban;

by toss1 3y ago

It is NOT curation, it is literally banning them from the library Just because it isn't a 100% ban on sales and possession also does not mean it is not a ban; it is a ban as far as it goes, schools and libraries, which is a significantly broad swath of a book's availability, especially to young readers. It is also not "curation". Curation is done based on readership, not some narrow criteria of a particular religion. To the degree that a narrow religious criteria is used to "curate" (enforce presence of book X or absence of book Y) the content of a public school or library, it is also a likely of the 1st Amendment clause against establishment of religion — selecting the only allowed books in a govt institution based on one group's narrow interpretation of a particular religion is a strong action to establish that religion using the levers of government. If it was not such a strong action, they wouldn't be putting so much effort into doing it.

constantcrying 3y ago
>It is NOT curation, it is literally banning them from the library Then 99.999% of books are banned as well. Cry about those too.
- brazzledazzle 3y ago
  These sorts of discussions are not really ideal on HN and this is exactly why. You can at least pretend to be respectful.
- toss1 3y ago
  The difference, which you are falsely attempting to obscure (or are failing to understand), is the REASON and PROCESS behind the banning. Yes, of course 99.9%+ of all books ever written in history are not included in any given libraries due to space and budget lconstraints. The librarians included the few based on professional criteria and data. After <0.01% of the books are included on professional librarians' criteria, you now try to claim that efforts to DELIBERATELY REMOVE some books BASED ON NARROW DEMANDS of a few religious bigots is the same. Bullshirt. Of course the numerical result is superficially similar. The results of choosing books based on the criteria of professional librarians or schoolteachers vs religious bigots is obviously different. If it were not different in important ways, the religious bigots would not bother putting so much effort into replacing professional librarians. Any claim that these are the same thing is either box-of-rocks-level ignorant, or intentionally disingenuous. There is no third choice.
  - constantcrying 3y ago
    Do you think libraries should include more books which help children to grow up more progressive and educated adults?
    - toss1 3y ago
      My opinion on that question is not relevant, just as the opinion of religious bigots who want to overrule the professional judgement of teachers and librarians is also not relevant. Those decisions are not to be made within constitutional frameworks, not by committees of religious bigots who promote ignorance. Stop carrying the water of religious bigots — you'll give the impression that you are one; you already give a strong impression of willful ignorance, repeatedly making the arguments of a simpleton.
Scion9066 3y ago
There has been a case about removing books potentially violating the first amendment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Trees_School_District_v._Pico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Trees_School_District_v... https://www.britannica.com/topic/Board-of-Education-Island-Trees-Union-Free-School-District-No-26-v-Pico https://www.britannica.com/topic/Board-of-Education-Island-T... In brief, we hold that local school boards may not remove books from school library shelves simply because they dislike the ideas contained in those books and seek by their removal to "prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion."

by toss1 3y ago

constantcrying 3y ago

>It is NOT curation, it is literally banning them from the library Then 99.999% of books are banned as well. Cry about those too.

brazzledazzle 3y ago
These sorts of discussions are not really ideal on HN and this is exactly why. You can at least pretend to be respectful.
toss1 3y ago
The difference, which you are falsely attempting to obscure (or are failing to understand), is the REASON and PROCESS behind the banning. Yes, of course 99.9%+ of all books ever written in history are not included in any given libraries due to space and budget lconstraints. The librarians included the few based on professional criteria and data. After <0.01% of the books are included on professional librarians' criteria, you now try to claim that efforts to DELIBERATELY REMOVE some books BASED ON NARROW DEMANDS of a few religious bigots is the same. Bullshirt. Of course the numerical result is superficially similar. The results of choosing books based on the criteria of professional librarians or schoolteachers vs religious bigots is obviously different. If it were not different in important ways, the religious bigots would not bother putting so much effort into replacing professional librarians. Any claim that these are the same thing is either box-of-rocks-level ignorant, or intentionally disingenuous. There is no third choice.
- constantcrying 3y ago
  Do you think libraries should include more books which help children to grow up more progressive and educated adults?
  - toss1 3y ago
    My opinion on that question is not relevant, just as the opinion of religious bigots who want to overrule the professional judgement of teachers and librarians is also not relevant. Those decisions are not to be made within constitutional frameworks, not by committees of religious bigots who promote ignorance. Stop carrying the water of religious bigots — you'll give the impression that you are one; you already give a strong impression of willful ignorance, repeatedly making the arguments of a simpleton.

Scion9066 3y ago

There has been a case about removing books potentially violating the first amendment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Trees_School_District_v._Pico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_Trees_School_District_v... https://www.britannica.com/topic/Board-of-Education-Island-Trees-Union-Free-School-District-No-26-v-Pico https://www.britannica.com/topic/Board-of-Education-Island-T... In brief, we hold that local school boards may not remove books from school library shelves simply because they dislike the ideas contained in those books and seek by their removal to "prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion."