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This was absolutely a fun and worthwhile experience for everyone involved. A lot of people got more interested in current materials science because of this. We

This was absolutely a fun and worthwhile experience for everyone involved. A lot of people got more interested in current materials science because of this. We watched a large community spring up out of nowhere to investigate a new discovery. It was really an incredible thing to witness, and I see only good things came of it. I can't really understand the sour grapes commenters in this thread. Not sure if they just want to feel smarter/better than everyone else who went along for this ride, or if they really hold the belief that the best science should be gate-kept in universities and not discussed in a wider context. Strong get off my lawn energy.

ShamelessC 3y ago
For me personally it is just general (mild) annoyance with a community that somewhat consistently likes to think it is smarter and better than others and which is then only ever willing to admit they were wrong in roundabout ways like "well this was all fun, anyone who thinks it was a waste of resources or what-have-you doesn't see how much impact it had". You can see this wild speculation play out _commonly_ for lots of will-be fads like cryptocurrency, metaverse, prompt engineering, vector databases, "autoGPT"/langchain, GPT3/4 performance degradation, GPT4 architecture, and more. People here dress it all up in well-written prose, citing their past experience at big tech or the ivy league, but at the end of the day much of it is as misinformed as a viral 4chan post. And then, as I said, there is very little postmortem from those same posters (although to be fair, I have seen several cryptocurrency people finally admit they were wrong). edit: For clarity, I am not encouraging a shame-based "admit you're wrong and I'm right!" attitude. That just results in more of the same but from the other side. I am merely condoning a healthy amount of humility and acceptance that it is _absolutely_ okay to be wrong, but that it is quite important to _admit_ it (if only to yourself) in fairly clear terms. My frustrations are largely related to social media in general and the notion that scientists are gatekeeping seems to forget about the very real effects of misinformation. None of us like to realize it, but some people really have begun to take the word of internet comments over the word of credentialed takes and it is _ruining_ society in my opinion.
- penjelly 3y ago
  well said
- taylodl 3y ago
  Exactly, and when you tell people not to get ahead too far ahead of themselves and wait for secondary confirmation before we get all excited, you get downvoted. This isn't my first rodeo. I've seen this show before. Now, one of these times, we're going to get a secondary confirmation and then things will get really exciting! Until there's such a secondary confirmation, I'm going to remain a curious sceptic. Jade is the color of experience and age.
- SirYandi 3y ago
  Who really knows _that_ much about anything though? Few people are experts in a given topic. Although I see your point, I suppose more people would be good to recognise that, especially about themselves. That said, this is a fairly general forum and (mostly) for entertainment purposes right?
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ShamelessC 3y ago

For me personally it is just general (mild) annoyance with a community that somewhat consistently likes to think it is smarter and better than others and which is then only ever willing to admit they were wrong in roundabout ways like "well this was all fun, anyone who thinks it was a waste of resources or what-have-you doesn't see how much impact it had". You can see this wild speculation play out _commonly_ for lots of will-be fads like cryptocurrency, metaverse, prompt engineering, vector databases, "autoGPT"/langchain, GPT3/4 performance degradation, GPT4 architecture, and more. People here dress it all up in well-written prose, citing their past experience at big tech or the ivy league, but at the end of the day much of it is as misinformed as a viral 4chan post. And then, as I said, there is very little postmortem from those same posters (although to be fair, I have seen several cryptocurrency people finally admit they were wrong). edit: For clarity, I am not encouraging a shame-based "admit you're wrong and I'm right!" attitude. That just results in more of the same but from the other side. I am merely condoning a healthy amount of humility and acceptance that it is _absolutely_ okay to be wrong, but that it is quite important to _admit_ it (if only to yourself) in fairly clear terms. My frustrations are largely related to social media in general and the notion that scientists are gatekeeping seems to forget about the very real effects of misinformation. None of us like to realize it, but some people really have begun to take the word of internet comments over the word of credentialed takes and it is _ruining_ society in my opinion.

penjelly 3y ago
well said
taylodl 3y ago
Exactly, and when you tell people not to get ahead too far ahead of themselves and wait for secondary confirmation before we get all excited, you get downvoted. This isn't my first rodeo. I've seen this show before. Now, one of these times, we're going to get a secondary confirmation and then things will get really exciting! Until there's such a secondary confirmation, I'm going to remain a curious sceptic. Jade is the color of experience and age.
SirYandi 3y ago
Who really knows _that_ much about anything though? Few people are experts in a given topic. Although I see your point, I suppose more people would be good to recognise that, especially about themselves. That said, this is a fairly general forum and (mostly) for entertainment purposes right?

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