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Marion County atty withdraws search warrant against Kansas paper, returns items
- pengaru 3y agoFines for this kind of fuckery should be large enough to fund a local paper for years.
- CaptainZapp 3y agoI don't disagree. But the problem is that the taxpayers and not those corrupt dipshits will be footing the bill.
- cratermoon 3y agoWhat about the late Joan Meyer?
- sundaeofshock 3y agoWhat about her? She is now a perfect object lesson for how best to treat the police. /s
- voakbasda 3y agoI think he Kansas AG should pursue manslaughter charges. The government effectively killed her.
- winter_blue 3y agoThe Kansas AG is a monster: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37152075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37152075 He's not going to do anything. There needs to be a federal lawsuit.
- setups 3y agoThe newspaper should file an extensive lawsuit against Marion County and the police department.
- duxup 3y agoJudge needs some scrutiny too. Approving that warrant was horrible. Normally I'm wary of "judge didn't do what I like that's bad" kind of discussion. But even with the virtual auto stamping of warrants for police that happens, that warrant deserved a lot of scrutiny by a judge paying attention. Of all the things the judge should have been the first layer of serious scrutiny after the county attorney made bad choices.
- plagiarist 3y agoIf there is rubber-stamping behavior going on, that's inappropriate. Prosecuting cases that are flagrant violations of rights might help curtail the practice. Apparently the court responded that there was no probable cause whatsoever backing the warrant. That should never happen to even a multiple drug deal offender, let alone a news publication.
- plagiarist 3y agoTheir rights were certainly violated, but I personally would rather see criminal proceedings against the person signing warrants despite fuckall for probable cause.
- jfengel 3y agoIt's far beyond that. They submitted that warrant knowing it lacked probable cause. And this is almost certainly not the first time they've done so; they knew which judge to submit it to. This is just the first time it happened to arise to national attention. This is not the fault of one incompetent jurist. It hints at much more widespread corruption, probably going back years.
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- rokkitmensch 3y agoAny healthy ecosystem will evolve relationships over time. There's no fundamental anti-collusion mechanism in the LE machine! On the contrary, it's a state attractor within the system of incentives and organization structure of Enforcing Law under the USG. The Bureau of Suffering, if you will.
- jkingsman 3y agoI'm trying to find some more background on why this happened, and man it's muddy. Some sources I take with a grain of salt [0] allege that it's about leaked documents concerning a local restaurant owner's DUI which might make her ineligible to hold a liquor license. Others seem to indicate this is a personal issue re: the police chief [1]. To me, this reeks of small town politics, and someone overstepping to do a [potentially/probably improper] raid that probably would never have made headlines had they not stepped into a first amendment hornets' nest. [0]: https://nypost.com/2023/08/16/marion-county-record-owner-calls-out-suspicious-timing-of-raid-docs/ https://nypost.com/2023/08/16/marion-county-record-owner-cal... [1]: https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda-henneberger/article278282098.html https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/melinda...
- CaliforniaKarl 3y agoIt's not really that muddy. https://www.rcfp.org/marion-county-record-raid-letter/ https://www.rcfp.org/marion-county-record-raid-letter/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/editor-of-marion-county-record-discusses-possible-motives-behind-police-raid-of-newsroom https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/editor-of-marion-county-re... Or you can read their own coverage at http://marionrecord.com http://marionrecord.com
- toomuchtodo 3y agohttps://www.npr.org/2023/08/14/1193676139/newspaper-marion-county-kansas-police-raid-first-amendment https://www.npr.org/2023/08/14/1193676139/newspaper-marion-c... https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115195/kansas-newspaper-publishes-its-first-edition-following-police-raid https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115195/kansas-newspaper-p... https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article278237263.html https://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article27823...
- celtoid 3y agoHere's a conversation [0] with the editor of the paper by an indie journalist. She originally broke the story about the editor investigating the police chief. [0] https://thehandbasket.substack.com/p/a-conversation-with-the-newspaper https://thehandbasket.substack.com/p/a-conversation-with-the...
- coding123 3y agoThis whole thing makes me think warrant review process by Judges needs to be re-done from the ground up. Potentially 2 different judges? 3? different areas?
- olliej 3y agoThe core issue with warrants is that definitionally the police don't yet have direct evidence so can only provide "probable cause" or whatever for the warrant. But "probable cause" seems to have devolved to a police officer says that there's probable cause, and swears that they're not lying. There is no actual penalty for a PO lying, and the judges are trained to just believe what they're told, after all in many (most?) cases the police are definitionally asking for a warrant because they don't have evidence. This all ignores the copious evidence that police are not able to avoid just claiming "probable cause" any time they need to (take stop and frisk, where being black was probable cause, numerous examples of traffic stops turning into unwarranted searches, etc)
- gwbas1c 3y agoWhat's an "atty?" (Do you really need to abbreviate "attorney"?)
- pc86 3y agoIt's an extremely commonly used abbreviation for attorney. Maybe without it the title exceeds HN's character limit?
- nickthegreek 3y agoYep, 3 over char limit.
- gwbas1c 3y agoYou can also remove "search"
- DavidChouinard 3y agoHN has character limits on headlines
- celtoid 3y agoIt was the easiest way to fit the title within the text constraints of the field while still keeping clarity.
- themadturk 3y agoThe way abbreviations are tossed about around here, I'm surprised anyone would even notice.
- predictabl3 3y agoThat's not remotely enough. 1. I want an explanation of how the Judge signed off on a search warrant against a journalistic outfit, in violation of Federal Law. 2. I want an explanation of the ethics violations at play. The Judge who signed the warrant, was the former County Attorney until she was appointed into her position. Now, presumably her protege is the County Attorney, who happens to be family with the owner of the hotel where Keri Newell's restaurant (not the Cafe) is located. 3. I want an explanation of how public DUI records, in anyway, can be construed to be private information, or identity theft, or whatever else. 4. I want an explanation and apology to the city council person who's home was raided, computers and phones taken, and an elderly couple with health risks left alone with no way to contact anyone. 5. I want an explanation as to why Kris Kobach's KBI's first response was "the media is not above the law", until outrage flaired. 6. And I'm not holding my breath for those affidavits, but they'd damn well better be released unredacted. This is of course not even getting to the police chief who left Kansas City due to numerous sexual misconduct allegations that the newspaper was looking into. They better not think they're going to sweep this under the rug.
- olliej 3y agoAfter all, they've sent their message[1]. Which is the whole point of the exercise. It is insufficient in cases like this to simply return something and act like that makes it alright. That's no different from being caught stealing a TV, and then returning the TV, which sure as heck doesn't get you out of criminal convictions. Everyone involved: the attorney, the police, and the judge signing the "warrant" needs to be fired and prohibited from being involved in any part of the legal system again, and the county needs to pay financial restitution - there's no way any of the seized equipment can be trusted anymore so needs to be replaced, and you need punitive damages so that other counties can see that the "find out" part is expensive. [1] And presumably imaged, tampered with, and damaged all the equipment.
- dbcurtis 3y agoA section 1983 suit seems reasonable, but I don’t think that happens much outside of voting rights, and outside of the feds bringing the case. But I am no expert.
- jakedata 3y ago"Once those items are in the possession of the expert, the expert plans to make a "forensic copy" and then check to see if anything was accessed or altered." If the seized computers were booted up from their normal OS drive then a whole bunch of timestamps, metadata and logs would be changed. A forensic image of the drive could be used to prove this without altering the original device. Of course if the police used a forensic image tool in the first place that would leave far less evidence of analysis on the original machine.
- Drunk_Engineer 3y agoIt was rather bizarre to say the search warrant was "withdrawn". That is not something which can be undone once police have taken possession of some items.
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