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The guy made Apple what it is. The most impactful technology company in the history of humanity. You can call him whatever you like and I will cut him a slack.

The guy made Apple what it is. The most impactful technology company in the history of humanity. You can call him whatever you like and I will cut him a slack. Most people miss the point. Yes great companies are created by not just the founders but all of its employees. Everyone contributes to a certain extend. But it is really the founders who steer the ship in the right direction. Without Jobs last 10 years would certainly be very very different. Think about a world where your only choices were Windows or a crappy Android phone.

realusername 3y ago
It reads like PR, you bought too much into their powerpoint presentations. No, the tech world wouldn't be very different without Apple in it, I can certainly imagine a similar tech world without Apple. Also I'm using Android and I don't see how it's supposed to be crappy, the iPhone was the worst phone I ever owned and I'm glad it broke down by itself, to each their own.
- objektif 3y ago
  I would rather be a paid shill for Apple than use an Android phone very easy choice :) Jokes aside if you do not see how Apple is far superior in quality of their products in consumer electronics there is not much to discuss.
  - realusername 3y ago
    It's just opinions, to each their own. I used an iPhone for a year to prevent ewaste of my wife so I know what I'm talking about when I say it's the worst phone I ever owned, I'm not talking randomly, I used it. Now it's stuck in a software error loop where you can't install or update apps and that was the final nail in the coffin, I was too lazy to reformat it.
- qwytw 3y ago
  Would Android still exist (in it's current form) without Apple? It's non inconceivable that modern smartphones would be a further evolution of Windows Mobile and or Symbian. With quite different UX (for better or for worse)
  - realusername 3y ago
    The UX might have turned out a little bit different but the smartphone would have been pretty much the same thing. My opinion is what permitted the existence of smartphones wasn't Apple but superior mobile hardware & mobile data tech which was emerging. Those PDAs looked like this because their only business model possible was note taking for business uses because of pricing issues, mobile data issues and processing power issues.
    - lacksconfidence 3y ago
      Indeed, the idea of having something like an ipaq with an internet connection was around, it just wasn't viable to build a consumer device yet.
      - qwytw 3y ago
        There were iPaqs with GPRS/EDGE/3G they just weren't very nice to use.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      > wasn't Apple But was anyone else besides Apple seriously considering releasing a device with no keyboard and non-horrible software/UX (admittedly of course the first iPhone was probably closer to a toy than a real "smartphone")?. Windows Mobile barely changed in the 10 years after Pocket PC was first released. I don't think hardware limitations were the main cause of that. Microsoft (or rather the faceless design committee) simply had no imagination and were more than happy to see their market share grow by 10-30% every year in a fast growing market (well.. who wouldn't?). Back in 2010 I had a HTC HD2, hardware wise it seemed to be several years a head of iPhone 3GS/4 but for some reason it was still running iPaq software.
      - realusername 3y ago
        Sure and that's why they had a first mover advantage but I wouldn't expect that first mover advantage would have lasted more than 2 years if they did not attempt it. > I don't think hardware limitations were the main cause of that. Mobile processing power really sucked and 4G only got released in 2009. Resistive screens were also pretty unusable before that.
zerohp 3y ago
> The most impactful technology company in the history of humanity. This statement ignores a lot of history. Apple has certainly done great work but it's hard to compare it to General Electric, or even AT&T. Without General Electric or AT&T, the last 130 years would be very different.
saghm 3y ago
> The guy made Apple what it is. The most impactful technology company in the history of humanity. You can call him whatever you like and I will cut him a slack. Even if I were to agree to the premise that the ends justify the means (which I don't), that still doesn't address the fact that we don't know if he succeeded because of his brutish personality or in spite of it. For all we know, he could have been even more successful if he treated people decently.
qawwads 3y ago
This is called "The great man theory": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory For another perspective, an iPhone looks a lot like a Newton with phone capabilities. Maybe without Jobs returning to Apple, Apple would still be in the phone market.

realusername 3y ago

It reads like PR, you bought too much into their powerpoint presentations. No, the tech world wouldn't be very different without Apple in it, I can certainly imagine a similar tech world without Apple. Also I'm using Android and I don't see how it's supposed to be crappy, the iPhone was the worst phone I ever owned and I'm glad it broke down by itself, to each their own.

objektif 3y ago
I would rather be a paid shill for Apple than use an Android phone very easy choice :) Jokes aside if you do not see how Apple is far superior in quality of their products in consumer electronics there is not much to discuss.
- realusername 3y ago
  It's just opinions, to each their own. I used an iPhone for a year to prevent ewaste of my wife so I know what I'm talking about when I say it's the worst phone I ever owned, I'm not talking randomly, I used it. Now it's stuck in a software error loop where you can't install or update apps and that was the final nail in the coffin, I was too lazy to reformat it.
qwytw 3y ago
Would Android still exist (in it's current form) without Apple? It's non inconceivable that modern smartphones would be a further evolution of Windows Mobile and or Symbian. With quite different UX (for better or for worse)
- realusername 3y ago
  The UX might have turned out a little bit different but the smartphone would have been pretty much the same thing. My opinion is what permitted the existence of smartphones wasn't Apple but superior mobile hardware & mobile data tech which was emerging. Those PDAs looked like this because their only business model possible was note taking for business uses because of pricing issues, mobile data issues and processing power issues.
  - lacksconfidence 3y ago
    Indeed, the idea of having something like an ipaq with an internet connection was around, it just wasn't viable to build a consumer device yet.
    - qwytw 3y ago
      There were iPaqs with GPRS/EDGE/3G they just weren't very nice to use.
  - qwytw 3y ago
    > wasn't Apple But was anyone else besides Apple seriously considering releasing a device with no keyboard and non-horrible software/UX (admittedly of course the first iPhone was probably closer to a toy than a real "smartphone")?. Windows Mobile barely changed in the 10 years after Pocket PC was first released. I don't think hardware limitations were the main cause of that. Microsoft (or rather the faceless design committee) simply had no imagination and were more than happy to see their market share grow by 10-30% every year in a fast growing market (well.. who wouldn't?). Back in 2010 I had a HTC HD2, hardware wise it seemed to be several years a head of iPhone 3GS/4 but for some reason it was still running iPaq software.
    - realusername 3y ago
      Sure and that's why they had a first mover advantage but I wouldn't expect that first mover advantage would have lasted more than 2 years if they did not attempt it. > I don't think hardware limitations were the main cause of that. Mobile processing power really sucked and 4G only got released in 2009. Resistive screens were also pretty unusable before that.

zerohp 3y ago

> The most impactful technology company in the history of humanity. This statement ignores a lot of history. Apple has certainly done great work but it's hard to compare it to General Electric, or even AT&T. Without General Electric or AT&T, the last 130 years would be very different.

saghm 3y ago

> The guy made Apple what it is. The most impactful technology company in the history of humanity. You can call him whatever you like and I will cut him a slack. Even if I were to agree to the premise that the ends justify the means (which I don't), that still doesn't address the fact that we don't know if he succeeded because of his brutish personality or in spite of it. For all we know, he could have been even more successful if he treated people decently.

qawwads 3y ago

This is called "The great man theory": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_man_theory For another perspective, an iPhone looks a lot like a Newton with phone capabilities. Maybe without Jobs returning to Apple, Apple would still be in the phone market.