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One unfortunately unique thing about this is Albini listened to people. He listened to his friends/family, like his wife. He listened to the people he was insul

by dfxm12 3y ago

One unfortunately unique thing about this is Albini listened to people. He listened to his friends/family, like his wife. He listened to the people he was insulting. Coming to an understanding, he was able to recognize what he was doing was accomplishing nothing but dehumanizing people in out groups, and this was equally dehumanizing him. I think most people understand this instinctively, but some are just taught to behave differently and some doubting Thomases need to see to believe. They need to see that these people in the out groups are just trying to live their lives in ways that are not meaningfully different from their own. If more people would listen, we would recognize this.

dkarl 3y ago
It's unfortunate that he summed up this realization by saying, "When you realise that the dumbest person in the argument is on your side, that means you’re on the wrong side." It begs the question of how you decide who the dumbest person is, and it seems like it would reinforce whatever a person's current attitudes are, rather than move them to change.
- jstanley 3y ago
  > When you realise that the dumbest person in the argument is on your side, that means you’re on the wrong side I don't think this is necessarily a good rule of thumb in general. Lots of topics have 3 levels of understanding, where the dumbest level and the smartest level have the same answer but for different reasons, and there is an incorrect middle level that is tempting if you know just enough to be dangerous. Take flat earth for example. It's not the very dumbest people who think the earth is flat. The dumbest people just repeat what they learnt at school! The dumbest people are not remotely open to adopting new and strange ideas. The people who fall for flat earth are those who are smart enough to entertain an unusual perspective, but not smart enough to refute it.
daydream 3y ago
He listened to people… 35 years later! 35 years! In the meantime we were treated to a huge pile of pseudo intellectual babble he used to defend his position.

by dfxm12 3y ago

dkarl 3y ago

It's unfortunate that he summed up this realization by saying, "When you realise that the dumbest person in the argument is on your side, that means you’re on the wrong side." It begs the question of how you decide who the dumbest person is, and it seems like it would reinforce whatever a person's current attitudes are, rather than move them to change.

jstanley 3y ago
> When you realise that the dumbest person in the argument is on your side, that means you’re on the wrong side I don't think this is necessarily a good rule of thumb in general. Lots of topics have 3 levels of understanding, where the dumbest level and the smartest level have the same answer but for different reasons, and there is an incorrect middle level that is tempting if you know just enough to be dangerous. Take flat earth for example. It's not the very dumbest people who think the earth is flat. The dumbest people just repeat what they learnt at school! The dumbest people are not remotely open to adopting new and strange ideas. The people who fall for flat earth are those who are smart enough to entertain an unusual perspective, but not smart enough to refute it.

daydream 3y ago

He listened to people… 35 years later! 35 years! In the meantime we were treated to a huge pile of pseudo intellectual babble he used to defend his position.