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You can enjoy your gun hobby. A lot of other people prefer their “ability to legally receive health care” and “not being targeted by the state for their identit

You can enjoy your gun hobby. A lot of other people prefer their “ability to legally receive health care” and “not being targeted by the state for their identity” hobbies, and while imperfect Canada is certainly better than a lot of the US in that regard. People wanting to protect themselves isn’t political performance.

jimmaswell 3y ago
Health care is a serious issue, but not relevant to the well-paid software engineers in question. Not every state is Florida. Nobody in the government is targeting me for my identity here.
- rebeccaskinner 3y ago
  You are right, but a lot of states are like Florida for things like reproductive health care and LGBT rights. If someone is going to uproot their entire life to move someplace that is safer (and will almost certainly have a higher cost of living) it's not unreasonable that they choose another country. I'm not saying it's the only reasonable choice, just that there's a lot more to the rationale than political performance. Real people are having to make real decisions because of actual impacts to their lives. I think it's important to remind people of that.
busterarm 3y ago
When I was living in Canada, my ex's family drove to the US for nearly 100% of medical screenings and 100% of dental work because waiting 6 months for an MRI or root canal when you're in debilitating pain is totally unreasonable. It's better now, but now Canada also has shit like: "tired of waiting? try assisted suicide". The US might have high standard costs but at least you have the option to pay for better than standard.
- bawolff 3y ago
  Waiting 6 months for a root canal sounds made up. While canada has some issues with wait times for some medical procedures, i have never in my life heard of a 6 month wait for a root canal. > It's better now, but now Canada also has shit like: "tired of waiting? try assisted suicide". Canada doesn't have that. That is based on a quote from some fired vetren affairs employee.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867 https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c63... > But human rights advocates say the country’s regulations lack necessary safeguards, devalue the lives of disabled people and are prompting doctors and health workers to suggest the procedure to those who might not otherwise consider it. > Equally troubling, advocates say, are instances in which people have sought to be killed because they weren’t getting adequate government support to live. > Euthanasia “cannot be a default for Canada’s failure to fulfill its human rights obligations,” said Marie-Claude Landry, the head of its Human Rights Commission. > Landry said she shares the “grave concern” voiced last year by three U.N. human rights experts, who wrote that Canada’s euthanasia law appeared to violate the agency’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They said the law had a “discriminatory impact” on disabled people and was inconsistent with Canada’s obligations to uphold international human rights standards. > Tim Stainton, director of the Canadian Institute for Inclusion and Citizenship at the University of British Columbia, described Canada’s law as “probably the biggest existential threat to disabled people since the Nazis’ program in Germany in the 1930s.”
    - loa_in_ 3y ago
      Both points are: going to happen at least once every so often no matter the system; and make good headlines due to the controversy and being unprovable (or undisprovable) by their nature.
- rebeccaskinner 3y ago
  > It's better now, but now Canada also has shit like: "tired of waiting? try assisted suicide". This is a huge problem, and it's one of the reasons that I say Canada is definitely not a perfect solution. I agree with you here. > The US might have high standard costs but at least you have the option to pay for better than standard. For a lot of people this is becoming less true over time, depending on where you live. Today there are states where no amount of money can buy you a (legal) abortion, and states where no amount of money can get your child gender affirming care. Tomorrow traveling for that care might be a felony too. It seems reasonable that if someone is in a position to move to Canada, they are probably in a position to move to California, New York, or some other safer state, but I understand why people might opt to leave the US altogether.
  - busterarm 3y ago
    > and states where no amount of money can get your child gender affirming care. Tomorrow traveling for that care might be a felony too. States that do allow your _child_ to get that kind of care are the outlier, not the norm and match the situation in most of the rest of the world. In most of the rest of the world there is an age requirement and usually it's at least 16 and parental consent is still required usually.
  - uiuiooi 3y ago
    > and states where no amount of money can get your child gender affirming care. Tomorrow traveling for that care might be a felony too. And that's a good thing. These people who advocate for the medical and surgical mutilation of children for gender fantasies have completely lost the plot. Cult mentality.

jimmaswell 3y ago

Health care is a serious issue, but not relevant to the well-paid software engineers in question. Not every state is Florida. Nobody in the government is targeting me for my identity here.

rebeccaskinner 3y ago
You are right, but a lot of states are like Florida for things like reproductive health care and LGBT rights. If someone is going to uproot their entire life to move someplace that is safer (and will almost certainly have a higher cost of living) it's not unreasonable that they choose another country. I'm not saying it's the only reasonable choice, just that there's a lot more to the rationale than political performance. Real people are having to make real decisions because of actual impacts to their lives. I think it's important to remind people of that.

busterarm 3y ago

When I was living in Canada, my ex's family drove to the US for nearly 100% of medical screenings and 100% of dental work because waiting 6 months for an MRI or root canal when you're in debilitating pain is totally unreasonable. It's better now, but now Canada also has shit like: "tired of waiting? try assisted suicide". The US might have high standard costs but at least you have the option to pay for better than standard.

bawolff 3y ago
Waiting 6 months for a root canal sounds made up. While canada has some issues with wait times for some medical procedures, i have never in my life heard of a 6 month wait for a root canal. > It's better now, but now Canada also has shit like: "tired of waiting? try assisted suicide". Canada doesn't have that. That is based on a quote from some fired vetren affairs employee.
- busterarm 3y ago
  https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c631558a457188d2bd2b5cfd360a867 https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-toronto-7c63... > But human rights advocates say the country’s regulations lack necessary safeguards, devalue the lives of disabled people and are prompting doctors and health workers to suggest the procedure to those who might not otherwise consider it. > Equally troubling, advocates say, are instances in which people have sought to be killed because they weren’t getting adequate government support to live. > Euthanasia “cannot be a default for Canada’s failure to fulfill its human rights obligations,” said Marie-Claude Landry, the head of its Human Rights Commission. > Landry said she shares the “grave concern” voiced last year by three U.N. human rights experts, who wrote that Canada’s euthanasia law appeared to violate the agency’s Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They said the law had a “discriminatory impact” on disabled people and was inconsistent with Canada’s obligations to uphold international human rights standards. > Tim Stainton, director of the Canadian Institute for Inclusion and Citizenship at the University of British Columbia, described Canada’s law as “probably the biggest existential threat to disabled people since the Nazis’ program in Germany in the 1930s.”
  - loa_in_ 3y ago
    Both points are: going to happen at least once every so often no matter the system; and make good headlines due to the controversy and being unprovable (or undisprovable) by their nature.
rebeccaskinner 3y ago
> It's better now, but now Canada also has shit like: "tired of waiting? try assisted suicide". This is a huge problem, and it's one of the reasons that I say Canada is definitely not a perfect solution. I agree with you here. > The US might have high standard costs but at least you have the option to pay for better than standard. For a lot of people this is becoming less true over time, depending on where you live. Today there are states where no amount of money can buy you a (legal) abortion, and states where no amount of money can get your child gender affirming care. Tomorrow traveling for that care might be a felony too. It seems reasonable that if someone is in a position to move to Canada, they are probably in a position to move to California, New York, or some other safer state, but I understand why people might opt to leave the US altogether.
- busterarm 3y ago
  > and states where no amount of money can get your child gender affirming care. Tomorrow traveling for that care might be a felony too. States that do allow your _child_ to get that kind of care are the outlier, not the norm and match the situation in most of the rest of the world. In most of the rest of the world there is an age requirement and usually it's at least 16 and parental consent is still required usually.
- uiuiooi 3y ago
  > and states where no amount of money can get your child gender affirming care. Tomorrow traveling for that care might be a felony too. And that's a good thing. These people who advocate for the medical and surgical mutilation of children for gender fantasies have completely lost the plot. Cult mentality.