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All their favorite politicians and news sources have been paid off by the almost unimaginably deep pockets of the fossil fuel industry, for over 4 decades. The

All their favorite politicians and news sources have been paid off by the almost unimaginably deep pockets of the fossil fuel industry, for over 4 decades. They do indeed have entire parallel constructions of reality where landfills full of plastic are a good thing, and people trying to stop those happening are the real problem. That's regularly suggested here on HN as what really needs to be done to combat climate change.

johndevor 3y ago
Sure, the right is crazy in one direction. But the left has shunned nuclear energy for decades, a viable solution that could have moved us in the right direction. We should be proposing solutions, not blaming one side.
- vkou 3y ago
  The amount of influence fringe anti-nuke-groups actually have in most governments is ~0%. The better criticism is that the 'left' that actually gets elected has done ~fuck-all to solve the problem, on any of the axes they could push. Of course, actually doing anything would be political suicide, and then the denialist-right gets all the power, and will also continue to do nothing. It's not a 'two sides equivalence' issue. Anti-nuke people aren't the ones in control of the equilibrium, the right is. If the anti-nuke movement disappeared tomorrow, we'd still be in essentially the same pickle we're in. If the denialist-right movement dissapeared tomorrow, we might have some hope of making progress. Just because you found one village idiot, doesn't mean that you should point at him, and shout that the village isn't really any different from the insane asylum up the road. They are not the same.
  - johndevor 3y ago
    > The amount of influence fringe anti-nuke-groups actually have in most governments is ~0%. Are you aware of the closure of many nuclear power plants (Germany & the US specifically)?
- adrianN 3y ago
  We have been proposing solutions since the eighties. The problem is nobody wants to implement them.
mutant_glofish 3y ago
> All their favorite politicians and news sources have been paid off by the almost unimaginably deep pockets of the fossil fuel industry, for over 4 decades. I'm curious to know which news sources are you specifically referring to.
- user982 3y ago
  Oh, I think you know which ones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130143 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130143
  - mutant_glofish 3y ago
    Which one of those is paid off by the fossil fuel industry? Zero Hedge?

johndevor 3y ago

Sure, the right is crazy in one direction. But the left has shunned nuclear energy for decades, a viable solution that could have moved us in the right direction. We should be proposing solutions, not blaming one side.

vkou 3y ago
The amount of influence fringe anti-nuke-groups actually have in most governments is ~0%. The better criticism is that the 'left' that actually gets elected has done ~fuck-all to solve the problem, on any of the axes they could push. Of course, actually doing anything would be political suicide, and then the denialist-right gets all the power, and will also continue to do nothing. It's not a 'two sides equivalence' issue. Anti-nuke people aren't the ones in control of the equilibrium, the right is. If the anti-nuke movement disappeared tomorrow, we'd still be in essentially the same pickle we're in. If the denialist-right movement dissapeared tomorrow, we might have some hope of making progress. Just because you found one village idiot, doesn't mean that you should point at him, and shout that the village isn't really any different from the insane asylum up the road. They are not the same.
- johndevor 3y ago
  > The amount of influence fringe anti-nuke-groups actually have in most governments is ~0%. Are you aware of the closure of many nuclear power plants (Germany & the US specifically)?
adrianN 3y ago
We have been proposing solutions since the eighties. The problem is nobody wants to implement them.

mutant_glofish 3y ago

> All their favorite politicians and news sources have been paid off by the almost unimaginably deep pockets of the fossil fuel industry, for over 4 decades. I'm curious to know which news sources are you specifically referring to.

user982 3y ago
Oh, I think you know which ones: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130143 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37130143
- mutant_glofish 3y ago
  Which one of those is paid off by the fossil fuel industry? Zero Hedge?