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> Why does climate change attract all these loonies? They've been exposed to a decades-long propaganda campaign that is ongoing.

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
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- throwway120385 3y ago
  I don't think it should be surprising that there are groups of people everywhere who want to skew data one way or another. But the thing I keep coming back to WRT climate change is that the climate in my area is currently killing trees that were totally fine for 40, 50, 60, 70 or 80 years until the last 2 or 3 years. I find that pretty convincing evidence that something is wrong, and working backwards from that through the idea that carbon dioxide blocks thermal radiation and that the temperature is increasing, it's pretty convincing to me that increasing the amount of carbon dioxide as much as we have has had a pretty substantial effect on the stable temperature of the planet. I would expect the temeperature to go up as a result of our actions. So in my opinion the only argument is about the degrees, and currently I'm seeing very convincing evidence that the IPCC is wrong, but that it was too conservative in its prediction, and that's very alarming to me as a person who has to live here for the next 40 or 50 years.
  - hotpotamus 3y ago
    I wonder whereabouts you are? I'm in South Texas which is currently going through a heat wave and drought the likes of which I've not seen (and it wasn't like it was cool and wet here before). Trees seem to be giving up, and I think I've noticed more animals dead on the road than ever before; I'd assume from heat exhaustion or thirst. Also a co-worker's well ran dry and apparently it's difficult to drill another because the local concrete supplier's well also ran dry. Meanwhile, my city (San Antonio) reports that they're dealing with a lot of water main breaks because of ground shifting. It all feels like the start of a dystopian near-future sci fi. I suppose to balance it out somewhat and not catastrophize too much, it seems like we have good water management because we aren't in the deepest level of drought restrictions and it seems like the state has quietly added a fair amount of solar energy which has been keeping our power grid from seeing major issues.

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throwway120385 3y ago
I don't think it should be surprising that there are groups of people everywhere who want to skew data one way or another. But the thing I keep coming back to WRT climate change is that the climate in my area is currently killing trees that were totally fine for 40, 50, 60, 70 or 80 years until the last 2 or 3 years. I find that pretty convincing evidence that something is wrong, and working backwards from that through the idea that carbon dioxide blocks thermal radiation and that the temperature is increasing, it's pretty convincing to me that increasing the amount of carbon dioxide as much as we have has had a pretty substantial effect on the stable temperature of the planet. I would expect the temeperature to go up as a result of our actions. So in my opinion the only argument is about the degrees, and currently I'm seeing very convincing evidence that the IPCC is wrong, but that it was too conservative in its prediction, and that's very alarming to me as a person who has to live here for the next 40 or 50 years.
- hotpotamus 3y ago
  I wonder whereabouts you are? I'm in South Texas which is currently going through a heat wave and drought the likes of which I've not seen (and it wasn't like it was cool and wet here before). Trees seem to be giving up, and I think I've noticed more animals dead on the road than ever before; I'd assume from heat exhaustion or thirst. Also a co-worker's well ran dry and apparently it's difficult to drill another because the local concrete supplier's well also ran dry. Meanwhile, my city (San Antonio) reports that they're dealing with a lot of water main breaks because of ground shifting. It all feels like the start of a dystopian near-future sci fi. I suppose to balance it out somewhat and not catastrophize too much, it seems like we have good water management because we aren't in the deepest level of drought restrictions and it seems like the state has quietly added a fair amount of solar energy which has been keeping our power grid from seeing major issues.