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Reminds how me if you turn your iPhone off, it's not really off either. Apple really needs to hone these 'evil' behaviors in before regulations come down the p

Reminds how me if you turn your iPhone off, it's not really off either. Apple really needs to hone these 'evil' behaviors in before regulations come down the pipe about it.

astrange 3y ago
If your phone was "really off" the system clock would say 1969 when you turned it back on. Who would that benefit?
- denverllc 3y ago
  I can unplug my desktop computer from the outlet and plug it back in, and the clock will stay the same.
  - astrange 3y ago
    That's because part of it is still on and has a battery/supercapacitor backing it. The above post is complaining about this.
    - oktoberpaard 3y ago
      They’re actually complaining about the fact that it still keeps some wireless services turned on when the device is off, for example to find your phone or to use nfc for public transportation. I don’t think anyone complains that it keeps track of the time.
  - aunderscored 3y ago
    That would be because there's a battery on your motherboard keeping the RTC alive.
- gray_-_wolf 3y ago
  I feel like there is a lot of steps between "so off that it looses the track of current time" and whatever exactly iphone does.
  - astrange 3y ago
    There aren't tho. The only other thing that stays on is the NFC (for express transit cards) and Find My iPhone (for finding it). Which you can turn off if you want, I suppose, but I don't think even the EU would mandate you must lose your phone if it's turned off.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      > must lose your phone if it's turned off. I think the EU would very much mandate that your phone being "off" means you're not holding a tracking device that will report your location, to, say, your stalker.
      - astrange 3y ago
        Would be an unproductive way of doing it (that's what "AirTag traveling with you" detection is for) but they'd probably just mandate the tracker has to show you a cookie popup.
        snypher 3y ago
        'allow only essential stalkers'
- slau 3y ago
  Actually it would say 2001 since that is the epoch on iOS.
- exabrial 3y ago
  Don't be a moron. Keeping power to quartz crystal and keeping power to a CPU core executing code are two completely different things. And besides, the phone can get the current time from the cell network when in boots, so your point is moot anyway.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Some people don't actually use it as a phone or otherwise connect it to anything that provides time info (think a kiosk iPad) so it is an issue. Enormous time jumps also tend to find bugs in your system, like if there's a task that deletes old data but it turns out it's not actually old. > mute Did you know it's "moot"?
  - lxgr 3y ago
    Not every network supports that (and it’s sometimes off by quite a few seconds!), and not every place on earth has cell signal or Wi-Fi coverage.
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lxgr 3y ago
What’s evil about being able to track my own phone even after the battery runs out?

Reminds how me if you turn your iPhone off, it's not really off either. Apple really needs to hone these 'evil' behaviors in before regulations come down the pipe about it.

astrange 3y ago

If your phone was "really off" the system clock would say 1969 when you turned it back on. Who would that benefit?

denverllc 3y ago
I can unplug my desktop computer from the outlet and plug it back in, and the clock will stay the same.
- astrange 3y ago
  That's because part of it is still on and has a battery/supercapacitor backing it. The above post is complaining about this.
  - oktoberpaard 3y ago
    They’re actually complaining about the fact that it still keeps some wireless services turned on when the device is off, for example to find your phone or to use nfc for public transportation. I don’t think anyone complains that it keeps track of the time.
- aunderscored 3y ago
  That would be because there's a battery on your motherboard keeping the RTC alive.
gray_-_wolf 3y ago
I feel like there is a lot of steps between "so off that it looses the track of current time" and whatever exactly iphone does.
- astrange 3y ago
  There aren't tho. The only other thing that stays on is the NFC (for express transit cards) and Find My iPhone (for finding it). Which you can turn off if you want, I suppose, but I don't think even the EU would mandate you must lose your phone if it's turned off.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    > must lose your phone if it's turned off. I think the EU would very much mandate that your phone being "off" means you're not holding a tracking device that will report your location, to, say, your stalker.
    - astrange 3y ago
      Would be an unproductive way of doing it (that's what "AirTag traveling with you" detection is for) but they'd probably just mandate the tracker has to show you a cookie popup.
      - snypher 3y ago
        'allow only essential stalkers'
slau 3y ago
Actually it would say 2001 since that is the epoch on iOS.
exabrial 3y ago
Don't be a moron. Keeping power to quartz crystal and keeping power to a CPU core executing code are two completely different things. And besides, the phone can get the current time from the cell network when in boots, so your point is moot anyway.
- astrange 3y ago
  Some people don't actually use it as a phone or otherwise connect it to anything that provides time info (think a kiosk iPad) so it is an issue. Enormous time jumps also tend to find bugs in your system, like if there's a task that deletes old data but it turns out it's not actually old. > mute Did you know it's "moot"?
- lxgr 3y ago
  Not every network supports that (and it’s sometimes off by quite a few seconds!), and not every place on earth has cell signal or Wi-Fi coverage.

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lxgr 3y ago

What’s evil about being able to track my own phone even after the battery runs out?