Read what you've just written and tell me how that equates to "when the "demands" are essentially "give us all territory, sovereignty, and resources."!!! The R

Read what you've just written and tell me how that equates to "when the "demands" are essentially "give us all territory, sovereignty, and resources."!!! The Russian demands amounted basically to getting the guarantees they "believed" they had when the USSR collapsed but that were never fully accepted by NATO [1]. I agree they were unrealistic, as to make such demands Russia would need to actually have the upper hand militarily, which it hasn't had even before it was still the USSR. However, saying that they were unacceptable offhand was a clear sign that NATO didn't respect Russia even enough to sit and have a talk. That's the modern equivalent of defenestrating [2] the Russians. They knew they wouldn't get all their demands, but probably expected to get "something" (perhaps a new Treat with Ukraine that ensured it didn't join NATO - would that be better than a multi-year war?? I say absolutely!!) - but all they got was a big fuck you. Invading Ukraine was irrational, I totally agree with that as clearly it would cause a huge divide in the world that just didn't need to come back, but after being thrown out of the window when approaching for negotiations, I suppose that's not exactly unexpected. [1] https://web.archive.org/web/20220222223845/https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_111767.htm#c203 https://web.archive.org/web/20220222223845/https://www.nato.... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenestrations_of_Prague