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There are tons of working class liberals. I'm tired of people implying working class people are all conservatives. These people are always framing arguments equ

There are tons of working class liberals. I'm tired of people implying working class people are all conservatives. These people are always framing arguments equating the working class to everyone with staunch conservative political views.

danans 3y ago
> There are tons of working class liberals You are correct, but with the rise of nationalism as an appealing ideology, there are fewer white working class liberals (AKA blue collar) than there were in the past. These people were decisive in the 2016 election, and were a big reason that swing states had close elections in 2020. Many of them have abandoned universalist progressive economic ideas because of the loss of economic security they experienced with globalization. Also, unlike the capitalist and professional classes, the nationalists are often OK with strong safety nets, as long as these benefits are limited to their tribe. They are really neither conservative or liberal. There are other political dimensions involved.
- yamazakiwi 3y ago
  > there are fewer white working class liberals (AKA blue collar) than there were in the past. This could be because of increased migration into the US and a billion other reasons that have nothing to do with nationalism. >Also, unlike the capitalist and professional classes, the nationalists are often OK with strong safety nets, as long as these benefits are limited to their tribe. They are really neither conservative or liberal. There are other political dimensions involved. Agreed
  - danans 3y ago
    > This could be because of increased migration into the US and a billion other reasons that have nothing to do with nationalism. As voting numbers go, migration only comes into play if you interpret "fewer white working class liberals" proportionally, but I meant it in an absolute sense: that blue collar white Americans have shifted Conservative independently. There is pretty good evidence of the nexus of race and occupational class in recent voting patterns [1][2]. This coupled with the fact that this population overwhelmingly supported economically liberal candidates in the past indicates a major shift, balanced partly in the other direction by the shift of the white professional class toward liberal voting tendencies. If the argument is that migration into the US (which is mostly non-white [3]) is encouraging the white working class less liberal, then that is pretty well describing nationalism. 1. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-28/how-occupational-class-influences-u-s-voting-patterns https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-28/how-occup... 2. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examinati... 3. https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/20/facts-on-u-s-immigrants/#fb-key-charts-origins https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/20/facts-on-u-s...

danans 3y ago

> There are tons of working class liberals You are correct, but with the rise of nationalism as an appealing ideology, there are fewer white working class liberals (AKA blue collar) than there were in the past. These people were decisive in the 2016 election, and were a big reason that swing states had close elections in 2020. Many of them have abandoned universalist progressive economic ideas because of the loss of economic security they experienced with globalization. Also, unlike the capitalist and professional classes, the nationalists are often OK with strong safety nets, as long as these benefits are limited to their tribe. They are really neither conservative or liberal. There are other political dimensions involved.

yamazakiwi 3y ago
> there are fewer white working class liberals (AKA blue collar) than there were in the past. This could be because of increased migration into the US and a billion other reasons that have nothing to do with nationalism. >Also, unlike the capitalist and professional classes, the nationalists are often OK with strong safety nets, as long as these benefits are limited to their tribe. They are really neither conservative or liberal. There are other political dimensions involved. Agreed
- danans 3y ago
  > This could be because of increased migration into the US and a billion other reasons that have nothing to do with nationalism. As voting numbers go, migration only comes into play if you interpret "fewer white working class liberals" proportionally, but I meant it in an absolute sense: that blue collar white Americans have shifted Conservative independently. There is pretty good evidence of the nexus of race and occupational class in recent voting patterns [1][2]. This coupled with the fact that this population overwhelmingly supported economically liberal candidates in the past indicates a major shift, balanced partly in the other direction by the shift of the white professional class toward liberal voting tendencies. If the argument is that migration into the US (which is mostly non-white [3]) is encouraging the white working class less liberal, then that is pretty well describing nationalism. 1. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-28/how-occupational-class-influences-u-s-voting-patterns https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-28/how-occup... 2. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examination-of-the-2016-electorate-based-on-validated-voters/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2018/08/09/an-examinati... 3. https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/20/facts-on-u-s-immigrants/#fb-key-charts-origins https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/20/facts-on-u-s...