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Had to scroll through quite a few paragraphs to find the actual truth claims in question, finally made it to these: > Claiming vaccines were unsafe or ineffect

Had to scroll through quite a few paragraphs to find the actual truth claims in question, finally made it to these: > Claiming vaccines were unsafe or ineffective True. You can argue they were a net benefit to certain at-risk demographics but the idea that they were safe, necessary, or beneficial to give en masse to adolescents with prior exposure is just laughable. > Promoting unapproved medications to prevent and treat COVID-19 So, not even really a claim that outright false misinformation was spread here, just that they did not slavishly follow the FDA. > Challenging the effectiveness of wearing masks We're not even allowed to challenge this, when the Bangladesh study that even mask advocates like to point to showed a reduction in community transmission of something like 10%, with "no effect" within the 95% CI? > Conspiracy theories about the pandemic. Everyone with their head not shoved under three feet of sand knows at this point that this thing came from a lab. By definition, they all believe in a "conspiracy theory about the pandemic," since an effective and ongoing conspiracy to conceal its origins must be carried out as we speak.

autoexec 3y ago
> True. You can argue they were a net benefit to certain at-risk demographics but the idea that they were safe, necessary, or beneficial to give en masse to adolescents with prior exposure is just laughable. There's legitimate discussion to be had, but how convenient of you to ignore that there's also a lot of misinformation being spread. Saying that vaccines are not effective when they are. Lying about the dangers or claiming that they'll turn you magnetic or turn you into a crocodile From the article: Unfounded claims included that the vaccines caused infertility, irreparable damage to one’s immune system, increased risk of developing a chronic illness for children, and a higher risk of cancer and death. This is just plain old antivaxxer nonsense > So, not even really a claim that outright false misinformation was spread here, just that they did not slavishly follow the FDA. No, literal misinformation was spread claiming that drugs that don't work were effective. > We're not even allowed to challenge this, Again, people can "challenge" whatever they want, they just can't make up bullshit. The doctors in the study were lying. They were making claims that wearing masks was actually harmful.
- cempaka 3y ago
  > increased risk of developing a chronic illness for children Well, there's pretty good evidence of this one given that one of the subjects in the adolescent trials for Pfizer was briefly paralyzed by the shot and still dealing with the consequences on an ongoing basis. > literal misinformation was spread claiming that drugs that don't work were effective. How, exactly, is it known with enough certainty that the drugs do not work as to label the claim "misinformation"? All of the controlled studies around the question have flaws one can point to, including the ones which found no effect. > making claims that wearing masks was actually harmful I don't know what exact harms were being claimed, but wearing a mask absolutely interrupts normal human social cues, creates a false sense of imperviousness to infection in many wearers, and for many people creates subtle sensations of claustrophobia (because it's not normal to have something strapped across your face for long periods of time). Our children go to a summer camp where it's been in the high 90s this week and one of the poor kids in attendance is being made to wear a mask by his family. Aside from the absurdity of wearing a mask outside (totally unnecessary and pointless), I guarantee he is also being harmed by this, if perhaps not permanently (but how impermanent is it if his parents apparently intend to mask forever)?

autoexec 3y ago

> True. You can argue they were a net benefit to certain at-risk demographics but the idea that they were safe, necessary, or beneficial to give en masse to adolescents with prior exposure is just laughable. There's legitimate discussion to be had, but how convenient of you to ignore that there's also a lot of misinformation being spread. Saying that vaccines are not effective when they are. Lying about the dangers or claiming that they'll turn you magnetic or turn you into a crocodile From the article: Unfounded claims included that the vaccines caused infertility, irreparable damage to one’s immune system, increased risk of developing a chronic illness for children, and a higher risk of cancer and death. This is just plain old antivaxxer nonsense > So, not even really a claim that outright false misinformation was spread here, just that they did not slavishly follow the FDA. No, literal misinformation was spread claiming that drugs that don't work were effective. > We're not even allowed to challenge this, Again, people can "challenge" whatever they want, they just can't make up bullshit. The doctors in the study were lying. They were making claims that wearing masks was actually harmful.

cempaka 3y ago
> increased risk of developing a chronic illness for children Well, there's pretty good evidence of this one given that one of the subjects in the adolescent trials for Pfizer was briefly paralyzed by the shot and still dealing with the consequences on an ongoing basis. > literal misinformation was spread claiming that drugs that don't work were effective. How, exactly, is it known with enough certainty that the drugs do not work as to label the claim "misinformation"? All of the controlled studies around the question have flaws one can point to, including the ones which found no effect. > making claims that wearing masks was actually harmful I don't know what exact harms were being claimed, but wearing a mask absolutely interrupts normal human social cues, creates a false sense of imperviousness to infection in many wearers, and for many people creates subtle sensations of claustrophobia (because it's not normal to have something strapped across your face for long periods of time). Our children go to a summer camp where it's been in the high 90s this week and one of the poor kids in attendance is being made to wear a mask by his family. Aside from the absurdity of wearing a mask outside (totally unnecessary and pointless), I guarantee he is also being harmed by this, if perhaps not permanently (but how impermanent is it if his parents apparently intend to mask forever)?