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"Misinformation" just means "any information that contradicts something the CDC said at one time", which is _insane_, considering the CDC's guidance and the eff

"Misinformation" just means "any information that contradicts something the CDC said at one time", which is _insane_, considering the CDC's guidance and the efficacy of these mRNA shots changes weekly. It's shameful to think that a diversity of viewpoints or interpretations of data, and willingness to change one's viewpoint based on new data is considered "misinformation" by a political, government agency. That is not scientific in the slightest. Science is a _process of discovery_, not a Soviet diktat from the highest-paid bureacrat and the corporations that pay him. We've reached a dark time in American history where presenting a different point of view gets you labeled as a crank. Yes, there are cranks out there, but I think most of them will actually engage with the data and are frankly more reliable than a good Soviet doctor whose rationale for treatment is "the Commisariat this week said so".

andrei_says_ 3y ago
Can you provide more info on the mRNA vaccine efficacy changing weekly?
- TurkishPoptart 3y ago
  "Protection [not immunity] conferred by mRNA vaccines against moderate (emergency department or urgent care) and severe (hospital admission) covid-19 waned during the months after primary vaccination, increased substantially after the third dose, and waned again by four to five months." [1] At first, CDC said vaccinated people didn't need to wear masks, then reversed course and said we still had to! [2] Also at first, CDC did NOT recognize the idea of "natural immunity", which we've known about since the beginning of immunology. They bluffed, (due to the influence of big pharma institutional capture, I suspect), and only until 2022 did they admit that natural immunity DOES confer protection. [3, 4]. Overall, the omicron variant conferred better immunity than all of the vaccines. [1]: https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj-2022-072141 https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj-2022-072141 [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03-my4E4gI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03-my4E4gI [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hXESCSRyvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hXESCSRyvY [4]: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/592457-the-cdc-is-finally-recognizing-natural-immunity-legislators-should-follow/ https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/592457-the-cdc-is-fin...
helen___keller 3y ago
Their definition of contradicting CDC is based on this table https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jamanetworkopen/939195/zoi230834supp1_prod_1691425918.57638.pdf?Expires=1695223984&Signature=jxzRYiEDxMNcmVfda7ljbTDf7MHu1EFxzablNOD-hanSM2HHsKCThCP85ilVQqeqhO5KDSnzbFg1cJeqofQwzUoNE2nsVsUW6EiwjLGTJOlAvxxnboPmRwdr2S0IgKRVYOrCXVNUc~tzskvJdfca0Z7-wSR2EmBdaxbMIr7eLTWXe4j~hH-rHieB1Nyfj5I0H8E92k8ec5vBoVQi6T7S-CGzJ6A0tsAjEicRnjS6AkItEFjiDYk9DSDvnITToi3WKxdlAiKOJ9gDjZob4VIBprxfMQieYez3ZVof-bPF0rh~ZTcimSd1Z2np8SuxZPRI9HgSElnm60HyW7lKOjwXgA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jaman... which seems highly reasonable. Care to describe which item on this table changed weekly?
- TurkishPoptart 3y ago
  So, everything on the "public health guidelines" list is actually wrong, except the first item if someone is very old and very sick. The mRNA shots never promoted immunity to illness, and it's factually inaccurate to claim that they did or do. We still don't know the long-term safety effects of these shots. The Cochrane study of studies on masks invalidated the guidance that cloth/fabric masks can do anything to stop an aerosolized virus. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/cdc-advises-longer-wait-between-first-and-second-vaccine-doses https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/cdc-advises-lo... https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quar... https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/why-did-cdc-change-covid19-isolation-quarantine-recommendations https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/why-did-cdc-change-covi...

andrei_says_ 3y ago

Can you provide more info on the mRNA vaccine efficacy changing weekly?

TurkishPoptart 3y ago
"Protection [not immunity] conferred by mRNA vaccines against moderate (emergency department or urgent care) and severe (hospital admission) covid-19 waned during the months after primary vaccination, increased substantially after the third dose, and waned again by four to five months." [1] At first, CDC said vaccinated people didn't need to wear masks, then reversed course and said we still had to! [2] Also at first, CDC did NOT recognize the idea of "natural immunity", which we've known about since the beginning of immunology. They bluffed, (due to the influence of big pharma institutional capture, I suspect), and only until 2022 did they admit that natural immunity DOES confer protection. [3, 4]. Overall, the omicron variant conferred better immunity than all of the vaccines. [1]: https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj-2022-072141 https://www.bmj.com/content/379/bmj-2022-072141 [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03-my4E4gI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L03-my4E4gI [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hXESCSRyvY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hXESCSRyvY [4]: https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/592457-the-cdc-is-finally-recognizing-natural-immunity-legislators-should-follow/ https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/592457-the-cdc-is-fin...

helen___keller 3y ago

Their definition of contradicting CDC is based on this table https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jamanetworkopen/939195/zoi230834supp1_prod_1691425918.57638.pdf?Expires=1695223984&Signature=jxzRYiEDxMNcmVfda7ljbTDf7MHu1EFxzablNOD-hanSM2HHsKCThCP85ilVQqeqhO5KDSnzbFg1cJeqofQwzUoNE2nsVsUW6EiwjLGTJOlAvxxnboPmRwdr2S0IgKRVYOrCXVNUc~tzskvJdfca0Z7-wSR2EmBdaxbMIr7eLTWXe4j~hH-rHieB1Nyfj5I0H8E92k8ec5vBoVQi6T7S-CGzJ6A0tsAjEicRnjS6AkItEFjiDYk9DSDvnITToi3WKxdlAiKOJ9gDjZob4VIBprxfMQieYez3ZVof-bPF0rh~ZTcimSd1Z2np8SuxZPRI9HgSElnm60HyW7lKOjwXgA__&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIE5G5CRDK6RD3PGA https://cdn.jamanetwork.com/ama/content_public/journal/jaman... which seems highly reasonable. Care to describe which item on this table changed weekly?

TurkishPoptart 3y ago
So, everything on the "public health guidelines" list is actually wrong, except the first item if someone is very old and very sick. The mRNA shots never promoted immunity to illness, and it's factually inaccurate to claim that they did or do. We still don't know the long-term safety effects of these shots. The Cochrane study of studies on masks invalidated the guidance that cloth/fabric masks can do anything to stop an aerosolized virus. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/cdc-advises-longer-wait-between-first-and-second-vaccine-doses https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/23/cdc-advises-lo... https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quarantine-guidance.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s1227-isolation-quar... https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/why-did-cdc-change-covid19-isolation-quarantine-recommendations https://www.uspharmacist.com/article/why-did-cdc-change-covi...