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> What happened to the idea that you don't need to censor the people you don't like or they said a wrong thing? That if you expose their ideas to debate and tru

> What happened to the idea that you don't need to censor the people you don't like or they said a wrong thing? That if you expose their ideas to debate and truth that they will fall apart if they have no merit? Thats not how twitter [1] works. You don't drive engagement by presenting people with uncomfortable facts that challenge their beliefs. You do it by creating echo chambers that re-enforce their predudices. Twitter doesnt care about free speech. It cares about revenue. [1] or facebook, etc

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
I can rephrase then... Why is it so important to you that only the ideas you agree with have visibility? Why are you even sure you are right? Because of consensus? That's never been wrong. Because all "the good people" think like you do? Cool, your tribe and religion will be happy to hear that. Because the screens all agree with you? What an amazing coincidence and surely not a planned correlation. ... I feel like the real issue is we have convinced everything that their thought matters and when we see a thought that is different it makes us mad and we want to smash that downvote button or angrily reply. But what if you're the wrong one? Maybe open debate and exchange of ideas is just overall better for everyone.
innocentoldguy 3y ago
> Twitter doesnt care about free speech. It cares about revenue. Can’t it care about both?
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  It could, but it obviously doesn't. I'll go all the way back in time to yesterday when we got the reports of them slowing down sites that Musk didnt like.
smsm42 3y ago
> Twitter doesnt care about free speech. It cares about revenue. And yet, when Twitter allowed a tiny bit more free speech, the same people who complained about corporations only caring about money started complaining that a) Twitter is hell now, and b) it's going to kill Twitter financially, but Musk doesn't care, because he's a crazy billionaire, and we need protections against crazy billionaires ruining valuable things. > You do it by creating echo chambers that re-enforce their prejudices And yet, significant number of complaints in the article is about how Musk ruined their nice echo chamber by letting the wrong-side accounts back in. So is the echo chamber bad or is it good? Or is it bad when it's people that disagree with me control it (then it's a pandemonium infested with trolls and misinformation), and good when people that agree with me control it (then it's a clean safe space platform that can be trusted and is full of valuable insights)?
- andyjohnson0 3y ago
  You seem to be making a political point. I was simply pointing out that twitter just wants to show ads to as many people as possible. Thinking that it cares about free speech is a category error.
- BaseballPhysics 3y ago
  > And yet, when Twitter allowed a tiny bit more free speech Did they! Was that before or after they banned a bunch of journalist's accounts for making Elon mad? https://observer.com/2022/12/left-wing-twitter-accounts-criticizing-elon-musk-are-being-suspended-for-platform-manipulation-and-spam/ https://observer.com/2022/12/left-wing-twitter-accounts-crit... https://www.thewrap.com/elon-musk-called-out-banned-left-wing-accounts/ https://www.thewrap.com/elon-musk-called-out-banned-left-win... https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/a-leaked-internal-message-appears-to-show-elon-musk-ordered-twitter-staff-to-suspend-a-left-wing-activist-s-account/ar-AA16NS0X https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/a-leaked-internal-mess... If you're really such a fan of free speech, you've bet on the wrong horse.
  - smsm42 3y ago
    You do know what "a tiny bit" means? That's why I didn't say "Twitter became a bastion of free speech with spectacular record", I said "allowed a tiny bit more of free speech". I'm not betting on any horses here - as I wrote in another comment here, I left Twitter years before the whole Musk brouhaha started, and I am not planning to return ever. I am just noting not all complaints can be taken at face value.
    - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
      > I said "allowed a tiny bit more of free speech" I see, so on the one hand banned journalists, but on the otherhand reinstated white nationalist accounts so, you know, net positive in your books? Okay. Sure. Why not.
      - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

I can rephrase then... Why is it so important to you that only the ideas you agree with have visibility? Why are you even sure you are right? Because of consensus? That's never been wrong. Because all "the good people" think like you do? Cool, your tribe and religion will be happy to hear that. Because the screens all agree with you? What an amazing coincidence and surely not a planned correlation. ... I feel like the real issue is we have convinced everything that their thought matters and when we see a thought that is different it makes us mad and we want to smash that downvote button or angrily reply. But what if you're the wrong one? Maybe open debate and exchange of ideas is just overall better for everyone.

innocentoldguy 3y ago

> Twitter doesnt care about free speech. It cares about revenue. Can’t it care about both?

nickthegreek 3y ago
It could, but it obviously doesn't. I'll go all the way back in time to yesterday when we got the reports of them slowing down sites that Musk didnt like.

smsm42 3y ago

> Twitter doesnt care about free speech. It cares about revenue. And yet, when Twitter allowed a tiny bit more free speech, the same people who complained about corporations only caring about money started complaining that a) Twitter is hell now, and b) it's going to kill Twitter financially, but Musk doesn't care, because he's a crazy billionaire, and we need protections against crazy billionaires ruining valuable things. > You do it by creating echo chambers that re-enforce their prejudices And yet, significant number of complaints in the article is about how Musk ruined their nice echo chamber by letting the wrong-side accounts back in. So is the echo chamber bad or is it good? Or is it bad when it's people that disagree with me control it (then it's a pandemonium infested with trolls and misinformation), and good when people that agree with me control it (then it's a clean safe space platform that can be trusted and is full of valuable insights)?

andyjohnson0 3y ago
You seem to be making a political point. I was simply pointing out that twitter just wants to show ads to as many people as possible. Thinking that it cares about free speech is a category error.
BaseballPhysics 3y ago
> And yet, when Twitter allowed a tiny bit more free speech Did they! Was that before or after they banned a bunch of journalist's accounts for making Elon mad? https://observer.com/2022/12/left-wing-twitter-accounts-criticizing-elon-musk-are-being-suspended-for-platform-manipulation-and-spam/ https://observer.com/2022/12/left-wing-twitter-accounts-crit... https://www.thewrap.com/elon-musk-called-out-banned-left-wing-accounts/ https://www.thewrap.com/elon-musk-called-out-banned-left-win... https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/a-leaked-internal-message-appears-to-show-elon-musk-ordered-twitter-staff-to-suspend-a-left-wing-activist-s-account/ar-AA16NS0X https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/a-leaked-internal-mess... If you're really such a fan of free speech, you've bet on the wrong horse.
- smsm42 3y ago
  You do know what "a tiny bit" means? That's why I didn't say "Twitter became a bastion of free speech with spectacular record", I said "allowed a tiny bit more of free speech". I'm not betting on any horses here - as I wrote in another comment here, I left Twitter years before the whole Musk brouhaha started, and I am not planning to return ever. I am just noting not all complaints can be taken at face value.
  - BaseballPhysics 3y ago
    > I said "allowed a tiny bit more of free speech" I see, so on the one hand banned journalists, but on the otherhand reinstated white nationalist accounts so, you know, net positive in your books? Okay. Sure. Why not.
    - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago