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Yep ... or just putting this info (keyboard shortcuts) in the "Help" menu which is the last item in a standard menu bar.

jbverschoor 3y ago
Or just make it an actual menu item / command, because that’s what it is..
- naikrovek 3y ago
  this is the correct way to expose keyboard shortcuts to users. this is how it used to be done before UX people started getting involved and following trends instead of thinking about usability.
- wongarsu 3y ago
  It is. On Windows 10 it's View -> Update Speed -> Paused. On Windows 11 it's more hidden because the redesign got rid of the menu bar, but you can still find it by clicking on the gear icon in the bottom, then changing the "real time update speed" dropdown. Maybe a big "pause" button next to the "end task" button would have been better, but it's not that undiscoverable. It's certainly easier to find than the option to show additional columns in the details view, like gpu memory used, the full command line, or total CPU time.
  - myself248 3y ago
    > the redesign got rid of the menu bar This drives me batty, and it just feels like an insult. For decades, the argument for sticking with Windows was that it was a single stable UI/UX with lots of established conventions. The same menus in the same places, the same hotkeys worked everywhere, etc. Linux couldn't claim that, was the pitch. Since human time is the expensive part, it didn't matter if the OS itself wasn't exactly performant, and we could afford to throw hardware at its ever-more-bloated footprint, because the investment in _human reflexes_ paid dividends whose value far exceeded some extra sticks of RAM or whatever. Now that hardware is virtually free and it _should_ cost nothing to continue that legacy of consistency, they've fucked it all up! Teams is completely unusable by keyboard, the new UI skin got rid of all the menu bars, lately I've found GUI elements that're _hidden until you mouse over them_, like are they kidding? I feel like I've been played for a fool. Every time I run into one of these insults, it pisses me off way more than the individual problem should, because it twists this 3-decade-old knife in my gut.
    - wokkel 3y ago
      Thats what you get when you let a an effective monopoly be run by baboons.
      - vxNsr 3y ago
        I knew everything was going downhill when I saw the windows 8 back button. It looked like it’d been hastily drawn by me in MSPaint for a school assignment. Nothing was aligned, and the arrow was actually pixelated on my 720p laptop screen
    - david422 3y ago
      Get rid of the menu bar to free up more space. Get giant 4k monitors. Pad all the UI elements with extra space. It just gets dumb.
      - baq 3y ago
        I’ve started to browse the web on 80% by default because it’s preposterous and ridiculous. I don’t want fancy designs. I want boring predictable accessible UIs with maximum amount of information on one screen.
    - wruza 3y ago
      For decades, the argument for sticking with Windows was that it was a single stable UI/UX with lots of established conventions. The same menus in the same places, the same hotkeys worked everywhere, etc Except for windows 98 control panel, windows 2000 control panel, windows xp control panel, windows vista control panel and windows 10 control panel and system settings.
    - vxNsr 3y ago
      > For decades, the argument for sticking with Windows was that it was a single stable UI/UX with lots of established conventions. The same menus in the same places, the same hotkeys worked everywhere, etc. Linux couldn't claim that, was the pitch. And then Microsoft let their employees use any machine/OS they wanted and all the designers promptly choose MacBooks, and now Windows is slowly morphing into macOSLite. Taking all the most annoying design concepts from macOS and trying to unsuccessfully merge or replace them with the very thoroughly designed and developed Windows conventions.
  - tom_ 3y ago
    The shortcut isn't shown though, possibly at least in part because it's not a shortcut to that option. Try selecting the Normal speed, then holding Ctrl, and activating the menu - note that the Normal speed is still highlighted. And yet the display is still paused! (Of course, just because it's not a shortcut to that option specifically, that doesn't mean that the current solution of not showing this shortcut anywhere is the right one.)
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    It's undiscoverable enough that lots of people (including myself) had no idea that this was possible, though! Not saying that as a criticism of this particular application. Discoverability is a very hard problem (which is probably why the modern trend is to just give up on it entirely). I'm glad that Microsoft didn't completely neglect it here. Edit: Does View -> Update Speed -> Paused do what it implies? Does it pause all updates? because that's not what I want here... what I want is to stop the reordering of the items in the list, not to stop the updating of the items.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  I wish more operating systems had adopted macOS's feature to search through menu bar items, which also automatically points to where it is in the menu.
  - jbverschoor 3y ago
    Raycast’s menu search works way better by the way

jbverschoor 3y ago

Or just make it an actual menu item / command, because that’s what it is..

naikrovek 3y ago
this is the correct way to expose keyboard shortcuts to users. this is how it used to be done before UX people started getting involved and following trends instead of thinking about usability.
wongarsu 3y ago
It is. On Windows 10 it's View -> Update Speed -> Paused. On Windows 11 it's more hidden because the redesign got rid of the menu bar, but you can still find it by clicking on the gear icon in the bottom, then changing the "real time update speed" dropdown. Maybe a big "pause" button next to the "end task" button would have been better, but it's not that undiscoverable. It's certainly easier to find than the option to show additional columns in the details view, like gpu memory used, the full command line, or total CPU time.
- myself248 3y ago
  > the redesign got rid of the menu bar This drives me batty, and it just feels like an insult. For decades, the argument for sticking with Windows was that it was a single stable UI/UX with lots of established conventions. The same menus in the same places, the same hotkeys worked everywhere, etc. Linux couldn't claim that, was the pitch. Since human time is the expensive part, it didn't matter if the OS itself wasn't exactly performant, and we could afford to throw hardware at its ever-more-bloated footprint, because the investment in _human reflexes_ paid dividends whose value far exceeded some extra sticks of RAM or whatever. Now that hardware is virtually free and it _should_ cost nothing to continue that legacy of consistency, they've fucked it all up! Teams is completely unusable by keyboard, the new UI skin got rid of all the menu bars, lately I've found GUI elements that're _hidden until you mouse over them_, like are they kidding? I feel like I've been played for a fool. Every time I run into one of these insults, it pisses me off way more than the individual problem should, because it twists this 3-decade-old knife in my gut.
  - wokkel 3y ago
    Thats what you get when you let a an effective monopoly be run by baboons.
    - vxNsr 3y ago
      I knew everything was going downhill when I saw the windows 8 back button. It looked like it’d been hastily drawn by me in MSPaint for a school assignment. Nothing was aligned, and the arrow was actually pixelated on my 720p laptop screen
  - david422 3y ago
    Get rid of the menu bar to free up more space. Get giant 4k monitors. Pad all the UI elements with extra space. It just gets dumb.
    - baq 3y ago
      I’ve started to browse the web on 80% by default because it’s preposterous and ridiculous. I don’t want fancy designs. I want boring predictable accessible UIs with maximum amount of information on one screen.
  - wruza 3y ago
    For decades, the argument for sticking with Windows was that it was a single stable UI/UX with lots of established conventions. The same menus in the same places, the same hotkeys worked everywhere, etc Except for windows 98 control panel, windows 2000 control panel, windows xp control panel, windows vista control panel and windows 10 control panel and system settings.
  - vxNsr 3y ago
    > For decades, the argument for sticking with Windows was that it was a single stable UI/UX with lots of established conventions. The same menus in the same places, the same hotkeys worked everywhere, etc. Linux couldn't claim that, was the pitch. And then Microsoft let their employees use any machine/OS they wanted and all the designers promptly choose MacBooks, and now Windows is slowly morphing into macOSLite. Taking all the most annoying design concepts from macOS and trying to unsuccessfully merge or replace them with the very thoroughly designed and developed Windows conventions.
- tom_ 3y ago
  The shortcut isn't shown though, possibly at least in part because it's not a shortcut to that option. Try selecting the Normal speed, then holding Ctrl, and activating the menu - note that the Normal speed is still highlighted. And yet the display is still paused! (Of course, just because it's not a shortcut to that option specifically, that doesn't mean that the current solution of not showing this shortcut anywhere is the right one.)
- JohnFen 3y ago
  It's undiscoverable enough that lots of people (including myself) had no idea that this was possible, though! Not saying that as a criticism of this particular application. Discoverability is a very hard problem (which is probably why the modern trend is to just give up on it entirely). I'm glad that Microsoft didn't completely neglect it here. Edit: Does View -> Update Speed -> Paused do what it implies? Does it pause all updates? because that's not what I want here... what I want is to stop the reordering of the items in the list, not to stop the updating of the items.
LoganDark 3y ago
I wish more operating systems had adopted macOS's feature to search through menu bar items, which also automatically points to where it is in the menu.
- jbverschoor 3y ago
  Raycast’s menu search works way better by the way