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React is very diverse community, who are these react bros? I went to a series of JavaScript conferences and React is extremely diverse.

PedroBatista 3y ago
I was recounting the past. I'm sure it is "diverse" ( whatever that means ) now because it became kind of a industry standard for front-ends. Good to see diversity all around, I just wish there also would be diversity of thought and it comes to building web pages. But I guess that would lead to people admitting ~80% of all the stuff they build does not require React or equivalent js frameworks and that would be both an ego and economic/résumé problem..
- gochi 3y ago
  It's an industry standard for people who like React. It's really that simple. This idea that they are so dominant and everyone is forced to use it is complete hogwash. JQuery and Wordpress still dominate the web completely.
  - recursive 3y ago
    Maybe you can explain this to my otherwise reasonable employer.
- steve_adams_86 3y ago
  > ( whatever that means ) I inferred that the intent was to say that not all people using React fit into one category. > ~80% of all the stuff they build does not require React or equivalent js frameworks I'm well aware of this for some portion of the things I build, but I don't agree that these frameworks are generally unnecessary or not preferable. It's also hard to say when something "requires" these tools or not. Arguably you could say nothing requires them these days. I like to build with all kinds of tools though, and React and Vue are for example are often more helpful than harmful to my development experience. I'm speaking as someone who has been building things for the internet for around 20 years, so I remember life without these tools. > that would be both an ego and economic/résumé problem Maybe. I think this might be more true in roles that are closer to entry level, though. edit: From your previous comment, > fast forward to React with the young energetic bros building dead simple 5 page websites with a Rube Goldberg setup of front-end frameworks This is a good point. It's still a thing and will probably never go away, regardless of which frameworks we have. I think it stems from people fundamentally misunderstanding our core web technologies and not realizing how easy it is to do what they're doing without React or Next or Nuxt or what have you. In many cases I've worked with people who wanted to do the most trivial things in their UIs and they worked tirelessly and earnestly to implement it with React or Vue, but it was something that already exists in the Web API or HTML elements. Basic stuff like reinventing checkboxes. Or reinventing the button element by styling an anchor and altering its behaviour with JavaScript to submit a form. So many younger people have started their careers in web development on frameworks, and they genuinely don't understand how the fundamentals work.

PedroBatista 3y ago

I was recounting the past. I'm sure it is "diverse" ( whatever that means ) now because it became kind of a industry standard for front-ends. Good to see diversity all around, I just wish there also would be diversity of thought and it comes to building web pages. But I guess that would lead to people admitting ~80% of all the stuff they build does not require React or equivalent js frameworks and that would be both an ego and economic/résumé problem..

gochi 3y ago
It's an industry standard for people who like React. It's really that simple. This idea that they are so dominant and everyone is forced to use it is complete hogwash. JQuery and Wordpress still dominate the web completely.
- recursive 3y ago
  Maybe you can explain this to my otherwise reasonable employer.
steve_adams_86 3y ago
> ( whatever that means ) I inferred that the intent was to say that not all people using React fit into one category. > ~80% of all the stuff they build does not require React or equivalent js frameworks I'm well aware of this for some portion of the things I build, but I don't agree that these frameworks are generally unnecessary or not preferable. It's also hard to say when something "requires" these tools or not. Arguably you could say nothing requires them these days. I like to build with all kinds of tools though, and React and Vue are for example are often more helpful than harmful to my development experience. I'm speaking as someone who has been building things for the internet for around 20 years, so I remember life without these tools. > that would be both an ego and economic/résumé problem Maybe. I think this might be more true in roles that are closer to entry level, though. edit: From your previous comment, > fast forward to React with the young energetic bros building dead simple 5 page websites with a Rube Goldberg setup of front-end frameworks This is a good point. It's still a thing and will probably never go away, regardless of which frameworks we have. I think it stems from people fundamentally misunderstanding our core web technologies and not realizing how easy it is to do what they're doing without React or Next or Nuxt or what have you. In many cases I've worked with people who wanted to do the most trivial things in their UIs and they worked tirelessly and earnestly to implement it with React or Vue, but it was something that already exists in the Web API or HTML elements. Basic stuff like reinventing checkboxes. Or reinventing the button element by styling an anchor and altering its behaviour with JavaScript to submit a form. So many younger people have started their careers in web development on frameworks, and they genuinely don't understand how the fundamentals work.