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Like most of Musk's ideas, this one is "good but doesn't work". When he's got good people around him, they turn that into "good and works!", but when he's left
by catapart 3y ago
Like most of Musk's ideas, this one is "good but doesn't work". When he's got good people around him, they turn that into "good and works!", but when he's left unchecked we get dumb bullshit like Community Notes, which any idiot could see the problem with: Musk himself.
Just, as an example, not casting any aspersions...
If your community is made up of people who either lean right, politically, or are far right, politically, then your Community Notes feature could still "work" in that there would be strong disagreements between whether Trump is a literal God King and whether Biden's policies are actually doing what fiscal conservatives want. You would get a spectrum of beliefs and you could get "corrections" that bring you CLOSER to a truth, maybe (splitting the difference between "empirical" and "some shit you made up" brings you further from truth, but let's press on), but you still won't get any real "fact"-checking. You'll just get a big fat "actually, you're an outcast in this society for this view" sticker on your thoughts.
In the name of fairness, you can replace the above thought experiment constituents with leftists and the result is the same. Notes that urge users toward or further from "defunding all police", or "abolishing the second amendment", etc.
And then, of course, the reality is in the middle-ish. I will make a firm contention, here, that Twitter IS more politically right than left and it shows in the platform's third-party observed metrics, as well as the content of the Community Notes. But I also think that the political classes of twitter are a much smaller portion than, say, the J/KPop stans, the Swifties, or the product people (individual creators selling things, like webcomic artists rather than, say, Tommy Chong's weed gummies). So there's a strong raft of leftist politics, it's just that they aren't the ones who engage in Community Notes. Children, Fans, and the chronically overencumbered do not tend - at least in the metrics I've seen (and screamed as "duh" by my brain) - to engage in policing misinformation. So you end up with a Community Notes that settles on 'rightness' via a right-leaning community consensus, rather than any actual facts. Which is... not the intended effect. Now, granted, it's less biased than other systems I've seen, but that doesn't excuse the amount of bias it ends up displaying, practically.
So the issue is that without the general public, or at least representation for all of its demographics in proportion, you don't get closer to truth, you just get closer to community consensus. It's a utility that works BEST at consolidating viewpoints into mass-appreciated ones, and has a limited tendency toward truth as a side-effect.
So why is the general public not proportionally represented on Twitter? Like I said: Musk. Whether you appreciate it or hate it, his personality is polarizing and a lot of people just won't engage with it. They left Twitter and it surged right. Again, not to it's complete subsumation as a lot of media would "have you believe" (more likely, media leaves out unnecessary details and people run with that to make it feel like it was intentionally dishonest), but it's observably more right, politically. Source: all third party reports, and spending every single day on twitter with 16 separate accounts specifically for monitoring trending content.
So, unfortunately, he built a really cool little thing that does actually work! But it worked better for old twitter, and doesn't particularly work well for getting "facts", now. All types of people have to engage and you only get all types of engagement if you aren't so hyper-focused on your own dumb bullshit.
Instead what he made was the best little shit-stirrer for his echo-chamber. Great, if that's what he was after. But hilarious if he was actually trying to get something approaching "truth".
- concordDance 3y ago> So why is the general public not proportionally represented on Twitter? Like I said: Musk. Whether you appreciate it or hate it, his personality is polarizing and a lot of people just won't engage with it. They left Twitter and it surged right. As best I can tell only a tiny fraction of people actually left twitter without coming back a few months later. Do you have any numbers on what proportion of leftists left twitter and where they went?
- catapart 3y agoOh, no, nothing empirical! Musk, the "free speech absolutist" is actually very closed-mouth about actual numbers. Loves to tout metrics that no one can validate, but will not, under any circumstance that I've seen, let anyone do any real research on the metrics. It's all just hearsay based on wire monitoring and patchwork investigations. The best estimate I've heard is that around 20-30k people really left, based on reported numbers over half a million. That seems about right, to me. 500k said they were going to leave, only 20k actually did. Of course, why that pushed the site more rightward is likewise speculation. If those numbers are accurate, I'd guess that the people who did leave were the most politically or socially aggrieved, so they would be the exact people to have outsized impact on Community Notes. And given the actual impacts that I've observed, anecdotally, that tracks pretty well with how much further right Twitter got. Not "much" but noticeable to anyone not making excuses for it.
- Fnoord 3y agoI'm one of the 20k, but I never said I would leave. I just removed my account, simple as that. And I'm probably not the only one who left without fanfare. Why would I announce to leave?
- Phaedor 3y agoA research team led by Charlotte Chang, assistant professor of biology and environmental analysis at Pomona College, found that in the six months following Musk’s acquisition of Twitter—now known as X—nearly half of Twitter users identified as environmentally oriented had ceased being active on the platform. These active users, which the researchers called “Environmental Twitter,” were defined as posting on the topic at least once in a 15-day period. https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/08/15-environmental-users-migrating-away-elon-musks-x-platform-researchers-find https://www.pomona.edu/news/2023/08/15-environmental-users-m...