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This is just bad journalism. WHat is so expensive? Cost of labour? Cost of the part? If you literally have to take apart most of the car, than can end with hun

This is just bad journalism. WHat is so expensive? Cost of labour? Cost of the part? If you literally have to take apart most of the car, than can end with hundreds of human-hours of labour and depending on the price per hour, can get very very expensive. On the other hand, I agree that parts costs should be regulated, where a sum of all parts should not exceed eg. 3x the cost of a new car (some overhead is of course needed in selling separate parts). But we don't know that either.

yorwba 3y ago
The referenced Auto Bild article https://www.autobild.de/artikel/hyundai-ix35-fcev-mit-defekter-brennstoffzelle-22903177.html https://www.autobild.de/artikel/hyundai-ix35-fcev-mit-defekt... has an image showing how the quoted price was calculated, including 1009.05 euros labor costs, 86187.73 euros parts (of which 3.03 euros for a gasket) and 16567.39 euros taxes.
moeris 3y ago
> This is just bad journalism. It's possible you just have poor taste. Personally, I think the reasons for the repair cost aren't relevant, same is pretty obvious. It's an unconventional car that had limited production. I'm sure they're adding in the cost of parts (they'll likely have to buy another insurance of this car to rip the parts out of, or they'll have to fabricate it themselves. Which could require hiring an engineer to make sure they don't get sued if the car bursts into flames) and labor that comes with learning how to repair a complete unknown for them, plus a good helping of uncertainty. The most relevant part of this story is that there's a guy who bought into a new tech, and who is being unreasonable when it didn't work for as long as he had hoped. And that comes through fine in the article.
bowsamic 3y ago
> If you literally have to take apart most of the car, than can end with hundreds of human-hours of labour and depending on the price per hour, can get very very expensive. FYI, many repairs require taking apart most of the car. For example, replacing gaskets requires taking apart the entire engine. And yet, garages aren't charging 100,000 euros to do so. More like 500 to 1000
- gambiting 3y ago
  Exactly. I had to have my 2004 LR Discovery 3 completely disassembled, as in - body taken off the chassis, engine and transmission out, all components stripped, cleaned put together, chassis sand blasted and redone - all in all paid about £6000 for the whole thing. The 100k euros is a "we don't want to do it" quote. I'm just surprised Hyundai quoted him anything, LR has no issues telling me "sorry we don't have parts for your vehicle anymore".
qbasic_forever 3y ago
IIRC hydrogen fuel cells are loaded with expensive precious metals like platinum.

yorwba 3y ago

The referenced Auto Bild article https://www.autobild.de/artikel/hyundai-ix35-fcev-mit-defekter-brennstoffzelle-22903177.html https://www.autobild.de/artikel/hyundai-ix35-fcev-mit-defekt... has an image showing how the quoted price was calculated, including 1009.05 euros labor costs, 86187.73 euros parts (of which 3.03 euros for a gasket) and 16567.39 euros taxes.

moeris 3y ago

> This is just bad journalism. It's possible you just have poor taste. Personally, I think the reasons for the repair cost aren't relevant, same is pretty obvious. It's an unconventional car that had limited production. I'm sure they're adding in the cost of parts (they'll likely have to buy another insurance of this car to rip the parts out of, or they'll have to fabricate it themselves. Which could require hiring an engineer to make sure they don't get sued if the car bursts into flames) and labor that comes with learning how to repair a complete unknown for them, plus a good helping of uncertainty. The most relevant part of this story is that there's a guy who bought into a new tech, and who is being unreasonable when it didn't work for as long as he had hoped. And that comes through fine in the article.

bowsamic 3y ago

> If you literally have to take apart most of the car, than can end with hundreds of human-hours of labour and depending on the price per hour, can get very very expensive. FYI, many repairs require taking apart most of the car. For example, replacing gaskets requires taking apart the entire engine. And yet, garages aren't charging 100,000 euros to do so. More like 500 to 1000

gambiting 3y ago
Exactly. I had to have my 2004 LR Discovery 3 completely disassembled, as in - body taken off the chassis, engine and transmission out, all components stripped, cleaned put together, chassis sand blasted and redone - all in all paid about £6000 for the whole thing. The 100k euros is a "we don't want to do it" quote. I'm just surprised Hyundai quoted him anything, LR has no issues telling me "sorry we don't have parts for your vehicle anymore".

qbasic_forever 3y ago

IIRC hydrogen fuel cells are loaded with expensive precious metals like platinum.