> so this was illegal. > In both cases a management > issue. I think attempting to call the other ATC 11 (!) times in the span of a couple of minutes b

> so this was illegal. > In both cases a management > issue. I think attempting to call the other ATC 11 (!) times in the span of a couple of minutes before the crash goes way beyond a management issue, it's also a cultural issue. Those controllers were looking at a screen showing that two airplanes were about to crash into one another. In most other western countries that person would have thought "well, fuck this!" and started yelling at them on the channel itself, implied procedures, stepping on toes, and pecking order be damned.