> Because a VPN in this sense is just a glorified proxy. The VPN provider can see all your traffic, and do with it what they want - including logging. That's i

> Because a VPN in this sense is just a glorified proxy. The VPN provider can see all your traffic, and do with it what they want - including logging. That's incorrect, they can see your traffic if you are connecting without tls which basically never happens. Otherwise they see what your destination is, obviously. And anonymizing VPNs literally are proxies, noone is denying this. > The $10/month that you're paying for your VPN service doesn't even pay for the lawyer's coffee, so expect them to hand you over. Another nonsensical argument because subscription fees add up. A VPN provider with a 10 $ per month fee and a large userbase like the common providers makes an incredible amount of money. > VPNs don't provide privacy, with a few exceptions (detailed below). They are just a proxy. If somebody wants to tap your connection, they can still do so - they just have to do so at a different point (ie. when your traffic leaves the VPN server). Okay, get back to me with directions on how I install a blackbox at the Datapacket datacenters > If you absolutely need a VPN, and you understand what its limitations are, purchase a VPS and set up your own (either using something like Streisand or manually - I recommend using Wireguard). I will not recommend any specific providers (diversity is good!), but there are plenty of cheap ones to be found on LowEndTalk. If you've actually ever browsed Lowendtalk you'd absolutely not be confident in stating that none of the providers log. These are all super small fish without their own infrastructure. And you have a dedicated IP adress which defeats the user pool benefit per server. And additionally you'll need to maintain the OS and software yourself which isn't something a layman can or wants to do. > Because it's easy money. You just set up OpenVPN on a few servers, and essentially start reselling bandwidth with a markup. So OP suggests here, contradicting their previous claim, that VPN providers do indeed make a lot of money and as such wouldn't have issues with legal procedures. Also no, you'd still need to develop your clients. Anonymizing VPNs absolutely are a lucrative business but it's not that simple.