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Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed? Ickiness should not imply illegality unless the ickines

Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed? Ickiness should not imply illegality unless the ickiness is at the expense of someone else. Swing your fist as much as you want so long as you avoid my nose, and all.

_6atf 3y ago
> Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed I don't think an AI model could generate realistic CP without being trained on examples, which would mean there is literally no way for this assumption to be true.
- Sunhold 3y ago
  If it's trained on pictures of children and adult porn, the model can easily combine the two concepts. Even if you remove one of these from the training set, it can be finetuned back in to the model with very little effort.
  - _6atf 3y ago
    Based on other topic interpolations I don't think this works, especially not easily.
    - GaggiX 3y ago
      If I can finetune the model on my face and the model will be able to generate my nudes (even if there is no nude of mine in the dataset), then it can works easily with children too.
      - _6atf 3y ago
        Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed).
        GaggiX 3y ago
        >Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. >Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed). That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha
        _6atf 3y ago
        > And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. Yes, exactly! You're fine-tuning something with more data. How do you fine-tune adult porn models to create CP without CP data? If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces. > That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists.
        GaggiX 3y ago
        >Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists. You can use Stable Diffusion. >If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces. The body will be similar to petite people or similar to lolicon content traslated into "real life", it's not a far guess by the model. The model do the same thing as with finetuning with my face, it understand that my images are the images of an adult male face and the knowledge will be added to the higher understanding of adult male and this include nudity, when you finetune on children it understand it's a human and it will added to the higher understanding of humans (And that includes nudity in various forms). Maybe the model wouldn't be perfect with children, but it can't be with my nudes either, maybe I don't have nipples and the model doesn't know it; but the guesses that the model does are usually good enough to be considered realistic or plausible.
        _6atf 3y ago
        > You can use Stable Diffusion. Yes, and as I've already told you, it doesn't work in Stable Diffusion, or at least I haven't seen any examples. Don't repeat this point again, show me an example. > The body will be similar to petite people or similar to lolicon content traslated into "real life", it's not a far guess by the model. Really? Show me an example. Don't just claim it, show me some place where this worked. You've mentioned fine-tuning a model with your face. Fine-tune a child model with your face and show me that it outputs something roughly adult-like. Or do the opposite and fine-tune an adult model with a child face and show me the model generates a small person. Show me that it's true, don't just claim it to be.

_6atf 3y ago

> Serious question - Why? Assuming no actual CP was used in the training of the model who is being harmed I don't think an AI model could generate realistic CP without being trained on examples, which would mean there is literally no way for this assumption to be true.

Sunhold 3y ago
If it's trained on pictures of children and adult porn, the model can easily combine the two concepts. Even if you remove one of these from the training set, it can be finetuned back in to the model with very little effort.
- _6atf 3y ago
  Based on other topic interpolations I don't think this works, especially not easily.
  - GaggiX 3y ago
    If I can finetune the model on my face and the model will be able to generate my nudes (even if there is no nude of mine in the dataset), then it can works easily with children too.
    - _6atf 3y ago
      Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed).
      - GaggiX 3y ago
        >Do you understand that adult bodies and child bodies look different? And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. >Please show me a model trained on adult humans being fine tuned to generate a child human (fully clothed). That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha
        _6atf 3y ago
        > And does my face compare to the ones in the dataset. Yes, exactly! You're fine-tuning something with more data. How do you fine-tune adult porn models to create CP without CP data? If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces. > That's not something I can easily train for you ahaha Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists.
        GaggiX 3y ago
        >Can you show me any example where such a thing has worked? I don't believe such an example exists. You can use Stable Diffusion. >If you do what you're saying you'll have adult bodies with child faces. The body will be similar to petite people or similar to lolicon content traslated into "real life", it's not a far guess by the model. The model do the same thing as with finetuning with my face, it understand that my images are the images of an adult male face and the knowledge will be added to the higher understanding of adult male and this include nudity, when you finetune on children it understand it's a human and it will added to the higher understanding of humans (And that includes nudity in various forms). Maybe the model wouldn't be perfect with children, but it can't be with my nudes either, maybe I don't have nipples and the model doesn't know it; but the guesses that the model does are usually good enough to be considered realistic or plausible.
        _6atf 3y ago
        > You can use Stable Diffusion. Yes, and as I've already told you, it doesn't work in Stable Diffusion, or at least I haven't seen any examples. Don't repeat this point again, show me an example. > The body will be similar to petite people or similar to lolicon content traslated into "real life", it's not a far guess by the model. Really? Show me an example. Don't just claim it, show me some place where this worked. You've mentioned fine-tuning a model with your face. Fine-tune a child model with your face and show me that it outputs something roughly adult-like. Or do the opposite and fine-tune an adult model with a child face and show me the model generates a small person. Show me that it's true, don't just claim it to be.