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Can anyone actually provide any proof that this was an intentional/nefarious "throttle" by X. Using ten domains as an example is not evidence. Did anyone check

Can anyone actually provide any proof that this was an intentional/nefarious "throttle" by X. Using ten domains as an example is not evidence. Did anyone check the millions of sites on the internet? How do you know there were not lots of sites Elon "likes" that were being throttled? Did anyone test more than 100 domains? This could have easily been a bug. e.g. a bug that was happening temporarily because an in memory cache was breaking for certain indexes. Oh well, people like casting stones — personally I am going to wait for more of the facts. (Note: I haven't said whether I like Elon or not) (Edit: If my post is so disagreeable, I would love if someone could take the time to give me a short reply as to why)

timack 3y ago
I'm never sure about applying Hanlon's razor to Musk.
- function_seven 3y ago
  I'm trying to make Hanlon's Shaving Brush a thing. Join me! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37042495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37042495 (Open Item: A shorter name)
anigbrowl 3y ago
Gish gallops are extremely unbecoming.
- javajosh 3y ago
  For those who didn't know (like me) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop Also, lol
- thomasfromcdnjs 3y ago
  I feel like my questions are pretty rational and not exactly hard to answer if there were any data. All I've seen is between 10-20 websites were tested by HN users. And a whole lot of "inference" based off that.
nsonha 3y ago
did you actually get the throttle on the 10 domains? I could not even get it on one, now that it's apparently reverted. Am I supposed to believe that Musk and his team is so dumb that they attempted to add a FIVE freaking seconds delay and thought they could get away?
- macki0 3y ago
  “I can’t replicate this issue, now that the issue has been fixed” I don’t even know where to begin...
  - nsonha 3y ago
    can't even what? When you fix an issue there should still be evidence for its existence, no? Commenters of this entire thread expect everyone to read it at the exact time the issue happened? Like what is the point of "citing" a bunch of "sources" if the "sources" are only able to provide the necessary information at one particular point in time?
- praisewhitey 3y ago
  Last night I tested the mentioned domains (bsky.social, nytimes.com, substack.com, threads.net) and a few dozen others by clicking every link I saw in my twitter feed for 20 minutes and observed the 4.5s delay on those mentioned domains but not on any others.
camjohnson26 3y ago
Because that would be impossible to prove, and Twitter’s owner has burned any expectation of good faith by lying, repeatedly, about the smallest issues. He said he wouldn’t ban the ElonJet account, and then he did: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/19/elon-musk/elon-musk-said-he-wouldnt-ban-the-twitter-account https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/19/elon-musk/... He banned journalists who reported on it, banned links to Mastodon, Substack, and Threads, changed the algorithm to boost his own content, slapped a warning label on NPR implying it was government funded and no more independent than the Global Times or Russia Today. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/journalists-who-wrote-about-owner-elon-musk-suspended-from-twitter https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/journalists-who-wrote-ab... https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512113/twitter-blocking-mastodon-links-elon-musk-elonjet https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512113/twitter-blockin... https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/23674427/substack-twitter-writers-founders-mad-restrictions-elon-musk https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/23674427/substack-twitter-... https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets-algorithm-changes-twitter https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets... https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173422311/elon-musk-npr-twitter-reassign https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173422311/elon-musk-npr-twit... So you could be right and this might be a bug, but your implication that we should give Twitter the benefit of the doubt doesn’t hold up.
- thomasfromcdnjs 3y ago
  Thanks for the reply. javajosh wrote a great reply in that vein -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142280
- lockhouse 3y ago
  The previous management was hardly better. They banned the New York Post for daring to break the Hunter Biden laptop story.
  - codechicago277 3y ago
    You can use whataboutism to justify anything, but even your example is bad. Twitter admitted they got that wrong and Dorsey apologized: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says-blocking-post-story-was-wrong.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says... I don’t see any apologies for any of the bad actions Twitter has taken since the purchase, and the hypocrisy of doing this while claiming to be a center of free speech is astounding. Of course Twitter had bias before because every group of people has a bias. But that doesn’t mean that everything they do is wrong or malicious, just because you don’t like them. The real tragedy is letting your own bias blind you to what’s in front of your face.

timack 3y ago

I'm never sure about applying Hanlon's razor to Musk.

function_seven 3y ago
I'm trying to make Hanlon's Shaving Brush a thing. Join me! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37042495 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37042495 (Open Item: A shorter name)

anigbrowl 3y ago

Gish gallops are extremely unbecoming.

javajosh 3y ago
For those who didn't know (like me) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop Also, lol
thomasfromcdnjs 3y ago
I feel like my questions are pretty rational and not exactly hard to answer if there were any data. All I've seen is between 10-20 websites were tested by HN users. And a whole lot of "inference" based off that.

nsonha 3y ago

did you actually get the throttle on the 10 domains? I could not even get it on one, now that it's apparently reverted. Am I supposed to believe that Musk and his team is so dumb that they attempted to add a FIVE freaking seconds delay and thought they could get away?

macki0 3y ago
“I can’t replicate this issue, now that the issue has been fixed” I don’t even know where to begin...
- nsonha 3y ago
  can't even what? When you fix an issue there should still be evidence for its existence, no? Commenters of this entire thread expect everyone to read it at the exact time the issue happened? Like what is the point of "citing" a bunch of "sources" if the "sources" are only able to provide the necessary information at one particular point in time?
praisewhitey 3y ago
Last night I tested the mentioned domains (bsky.social, nytimes.com, substack.com, threads.net) and a few dozen others by clicking every link I saw in my twitter feed for 20 minutes and observed the 4.5s delay on those mentioned domains but not on any others.

camjohnson26 3y ago

Because that would be impossible to prove, and Twitter’s owner has burned any expectation of good faith by lying, repeatedly, about the smallest issues. He said he wouldn’t ban the ElonJet account, and then he did: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/19/elon-musk/elon-musk-said-he-wouldnt-ban-the-twitter-account https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/19/elon-musk/... He banned journalists who reported on it, banned links to Mastodon, Substack, and Threads, changed the algorithm to boost his own content, slapped a warning label on NPR implying it was government funded and no more independent than the Global Times or Russia Today. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/journalists-who-wrote-about-owner-elon-musk-suspended-from-twitter https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/journalists-who-wrote-ab... https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512113/twitter-blocking-mastodon-links-elon-musk-elonjet https://www.theverge.com/2022/12/15/23512113/twitter-blockin... https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/23674427/substack-twitter-writers-founders-mad-restrictions-elon-musk https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/7/23674427/substack-twitter-... https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets-algorithm-changes-twitter https://www.theverge.com/2023/2/14/23600358/elon-musk-tweets... https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173422311/elon-musk-npr-twitter-reassign https://www.npr.org/2023/05/02/1173422311/elon-musk-npr-twit... So you could be right and this might be a bug, but your implication that we should give Twitter the benefit of the doubt doesn’t hold up.

thomasfromcdnjs 3y ago
Thanks for the reply. javajosh wrote a great reply in that vein -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142280 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37142280
lockhouse 3y ago
The previous management was hardly better. They banned the New York Post for daring to break the Hunter Biden laptop story.
- codechicago277 3y ago
  You can use whataboutism to justify anything, but even your example is bad. Twitter admitted they got that wrong and Dorsey apologized: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says-blocking-post-story-was-wrong.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/16/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-says... I don’t see any apologies for any of the bad actions Twitter has taken since the purchase, and the hypocrisy of doing this while claiming to be a center of free speech is astounding. Of course Twitter had bias before because every group of people has a bias. But that doesn’t mean that everything they do is wrong or malicious, just because you don’t like them. The real tragedy is letting your own bias blind you to what’s in front of your face.