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So tired of him. So tired.

by icantbebothered 3y ago

mensetmanusman 3y ago
Posting here might not be helping.
- icantbebothered 3y ago
  [flagged]
- _8j50 3y ago
  I feel like people just don't know how to deal with trollish people like elon or trump, best you can do is ignore them and they lose the one thing they live for: attention.
  - javajosh 3y ago
    The calculus changes for someone like Musk, who is not a troll to a large fraction of the population. In that case, it's beneficial to post something like the GGP because it signals to other people two things: first, you're not alone in disliking this person. Second, it's okay to express that opinion. That second one is important since there is a fine line between ignoring something you don't like and self-censorship out of fear of reprisal. So, while I agree that you should ignore nobody trolls, I DO NOT think you should ignore famous, politically/economically relevant trolls. It's an act that comes with some risk, and is therefore courageous and admirable.
  - happytoexplain 3y ago
    I agree with the notion of what you're saying, and I usually make a pretty strong point of avoiding this topic, but a counterpoint can really only be so obvious before I can no longer avoid stating it: Trump was the president. It's not really unreasonable to not "ignore" a person when they are the individual elected by the people of your nation as their representative.
    - lostlogin 3y ago
      > It's not really unreasonable to not "ignore" a person when they are the individual elected by the people of your nation as their representative. Is that a triple negative?
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    That doesn't work, because they just escalate or get other people to act out on their behalf. And really, why should we construct society around the behaviors the worst people? There is some evidence for the proposition that rude responses to provocations is in fact the most effective moderations strategy. https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03697 https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03697
    - _8j50 3y ago
      You and other commenters are not getting what I am saying. Ignore them does not mean they don't face consequences, it means they don't get attention for it. Like no news headlines, no social media posts and likes,etc... if they have their own fanbase then ignore them too, ban, block, arrest,etc... just don't give them notoriety and fan the flames. It's like with school shooters and serial killers, you shouldn't mention their names, publish their manifesto or do movies about them precisely to avoid copy cats or to give them what they want. If elon messes up twitter, leave it, don't give him attention for it.
  - earthboundkid 3y ago
    Or send them to jail. :-) It would be harder with Elon, but between securities fraud and willful safety negligence, it’s probably doable. :-)
  - icantbebothered 3y ago
    Alas, they will always get rewarded for the attention-seeking behaviour. Always. Because it’s a sad fact that there are always people who are attracted to destructive attention-seekers, just as there are people attracted to mass murderers, satanic telepreachers, and promoters of poisonous ideologies. They simply don’t see these characters like you and I do. There’s money to be made by connecting these populations, from pamphlets and Speakers Corner to websites and Social Media. It’s always been a problem. But now, with a global population of billions, these trollish people are basically guaranteed to draw enough attention to have dangerous influence.
    - bootlickdev 3y ago
      [flagged]
  - monkey_monkey 3y ago
    This kind of 101-level advice is fine for dealing with random edgelord trolls with 10 followers. However, it's nigh-on impossible to simply ignore the likes of Musk and Trump when newspaper columns are full of their activity and they have such a fucking large impact on us.
- chris_wot 3y ago
  Posting here is fine. At least they aren't using X/Twitter.
zvorygin 3y ago
Only you can choose to care or not care. And if you care about some troll, you’re going to become angry and then exhausted.
- 3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
  He’s the richest man on Earth, and has hundreds of millions of fans around the world. Multiple CEOs emulating him and saying they wish they could act more like him and copying his actions. People care because Musk is actively bending and reshaping society with his actions, and we live in this society. And unfortunately he's reshaping society towards a more hostile, adversarial, dishonest society. Where you constantly identify enemies (he was even at "war" with Apple for a few days remember?), and you're constantly taking pleasure at confusing everyone, and teaching your fans to celebrate chaos and lack of meaning. "I'm serious, I'm joking, I'm serious, I'm joking, I'm serious, I'm joking". It’s also why no one could just ignore Trump for four years. You can’t just ignore all the president of the US does and says. You need a clear message, you need logical direction. And you never got it. People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up. And Musk is repeatedly breaking this assumption and walking away unscathed or even gaining from it, showing us all anyone else also could. His message is we can all be assholes. We can all be dicks to each other. We can all lie, constantly. We can all be frauds. We can all be sociopaths and narcissists. And many will go with it and do go with it. That is the problem. This is why people want to see him fail. Him failing, badly, will be healing for society and reverse some of this vast damage.
  - exodust 3y ago
    Your post reads like the intro to an unhinged anti-Musk manifesto. Are you sure you're not taking life too seriously? When you accuse someone of "vast damage", destroying society, lies, and wishing them to fail among other things, it's you who is spreading hate. You are the problem. > "People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up." No idea what that means, but after reading your post I'm not confident you're a reliable source on what people want, or what a sane world looks like!
    - 3y ago
aaron695 3y ago
[flagged]
- mutant_glofish 3y ago
  Hey, just wanted to let you know that your account seems to be shadow-banned.
dang 3y ago
Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
- icantbebothered 3y ago
  Sure, whatever, but I do note that it generated substantive commentary for a post that generated little of substance itself. Ah, fuck it. Your moderation is inconsistent. Lots of frivolous and low quality comments sail right on by you, shitting up threads all over the site, but here you go picking on, yes, an admittedly low-quality yet heart-felt sub-thread starter that resulted in quality commentary that is now hidden from sight. What a stupid decision, axing good discussion because it started off poorly. Ima fuck on off, no need to put up with your shit. Screw your head on right, guy.
  - dang 3y ago
    Moderation is necessarily inconsistent because we don't see everything that gets posted—there's far too much to read it all. We don't even see 10%; we're lucky if we see 1%. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. That said, if you're participating here, we need you (like other users) to follow the rules regardless of what other commenters are doing. It always feels like the other person (a) started it, and (b) did worse. Since everyone feels that way, using that as a guide for one's own behavior just leads to a downward spiral.

So tired of him. So tired.

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Posting here might not be helping.

icantbebothered 3y ago
[flagged]
_8j50 3y ago
I feel like people just don't know how to deal with trollish people like elon or trump, best you can do is ignore them and they lose the one thing they live for: attention.
- javajosh 3y ago
  The calculus changes for someone like Musk, who is not a troll to a large fraction of the population. In that case, it's beneficial to post something like the GGP because it signals to other people two things: first, you're not alone in disliking this person. Second, it's okay to express that opinion. That second one is important since there is a fine line between ignoring something you don't like and self-censorship out of fear of reprisal. So, while I agree that you should ignore nobody trolls, I DO NOT think you should ignore famous, politically/economically relevant trolls. It's an act that comes with some risk, and is therefore courageous and admirable.
- happytoexplain 3y ago
  I agree with the notion of what you're saying, and I usually make a pretty strong point of avoiding this topic, but a counterpoint can really only be so obvious before I can no longer avoid stating it: Trump was the president. It's not really unreasonable to not "ignore" a person when they are the individual elected by the people of your nation as their representative.
  - lostlogin 3y ago
    > It's not really unreasonable to not "ignore" a person when they are the individual elected by the people of your nation as their representative. Is that a triple negative?
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  That doesn't work, because they just escalate or get other people to act out on their behalf. And really, why should we construct society around the behaviors the worst people? There is some evidence for the proposition that rude responses to provocations is in fact the most effective moderations strategy. https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03697 https://arxiv.org/abs/1803.03697
  - _8j50 3y ago
    You and other commenters are not getting what I am saying. Ignore them does not mean they don't face consequences, it means they don't get attention for it. Like no news headlines, no social media posts and likes,etc... if they have their own fanbase then ignore them too, ban, block, arrest,etc... just don't give them notoriety and fan the flames. It's like with school shooters and serial killers, you shouldn't mention their names, publish their manifesto or do movies about them precisely to avoid copy cats or to give them what they want. If elon messes up twitter, leave it, don't give him attention for it.
- earthboundkid 3y ago
  Or send them to jail. :-) It would be harder with Elon, but between securities fraud and willful safety negligence, it’s probably doable. :-)
- icantbebothered 3y ago
  Alas, they will always get rewarded for the attention-seeking behaviour. Always. Because it’s a sad fact that there are always people who are attracted to destructive attention-seekers, just as there are people attracted to mass murderers, satanic telepreachers, and promoters of poisonous ideologies. They simply don’t see these characters like you and I do. There’s money to be made by connecting these populations, from pamphlets and Speakers Corner to websites and Social Media. It’s always been a problem. But now, with a global population of billions, these trollish people are basically guaranteed to draw enough attention to have dangerous influence.
  - bootlickdev 3y ago
    [flagged]
- monkey_monkey 3y ago
  This kind of 101-level advice is fine for dealing with random edgelord trolls with 10 followers. However, it's nigh-on impossible to simply ignore the likes of Musk and Trump when newspaper columns are full of their activity and they have such a fucking large impact on us.
chris_wot 3y ago
Posting here is fine. At least they aren't using X/Twitter.

zvorygin 3y ago

Only you can choose to care or not care. And if you care about some troll, you’re going to become angry and then exhausted.

3cats-in-a-coat 3y ago
He’s the richest man on Earth, and has hundreds of millions of fans around the world. Multiple CEOs emulating him and saying they wish they could act more like him and copying his actions. People care because Musk is actively bending and reshaping society with his actions, and we live in this society. And unfortunately he's reshaping society towards a more hostile, adversarial, dishonest society. Where you constantly identify enemies (he was even at "war" with Apple for a few days remember?), and you're constantly taking pleasure at confusing everyone, and teaching your fans to celebrate chaos and lack of meaning. "I'm serious, I'm joking, I'm serious, I'm joking, I'm serious, I'm joking". It’s also why no one could just ignore Trump for four years. You can’t just ignore all the president of the US does and says. You need a clear message, you need logical direction. And you never got it. People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up. And Musk is repeatedly breaking this assumption and walking away unscathed or even gaining from it, showing us all anyone else also could. His message is we can all be assholes. We can all be dicks to each other. We can all lie, constantly. We can all be frauds. We can all be sociopaths and narcissists. And many will go with it and do go with it. That is the problem. This is why people want to see him fail. Him failing, badly, will be healing for society and reverse some of this vast damage.
- exodust 3y ago
  Your post reads like the intro to an unhinged anti-Musk manifesto. Are you sure you're not taking life too seriously? When you accuse someone of "vast damage", destroying society, lies, and wishing them to fail among other things, it's you who is spreading hate. You are the problem. > "People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up." No idea what that means, but after reading your post I'm not confident you're a reliable source on what people want, or what a sane world looks like!
  - 3y ago

aaron695 3y ago

[flagged]

mutant_glofish 3y ago
Hey, just wanted to let you know that your account seems to be shadow-banned.

dang 3y ago

Maybe so, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

icantbebothered 3y ago
Sure, whatever, but I do note that it generated substantive commentary for a post that generated little of substance itself. Ah, fuck it. Your moderation is inconsistent. Lots of frivolous and low quality comments sail right on by you, shitting up threads all over the site, but here you go picking on, yes, an admittedly low-quality yet heart-felt sub-thread starter that resulted in quality commentary that is now hidden from sight. What a stupid decision, axing good discussion because it started off poorly. Ima fuck on off, no need to put up with your shit. Screw your head on right, guy.
- dang 3y ago
  Moderation is necessarily inconsistent because we don't see everything that gets posted—there's far too much to read it all. We don't even see 10%; we're lucky if we see 1%. If you see a post that ought to have been moderated but hasn't been, the likeliest explanation is that we didn't see it. You can help by flagging it or emailing us at hn@ycombinator.com. That said, if you're participating here, we need you (like other users) to follow the rules regardless of what other commenters are doing. It always feels like the other person (a) started it, and (b) did worse. Since everyone feels that way, using that as a guide for one's own behavior just leads to a downward spiral.