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So no concrete action she did/did not do at her level. Gotcha.

• vuln 3y ago
  36 years is a long time to do/not do things.
• dventimi 3y ago
  No you don't gotcha. There's plenty of concrete action at her level that led to SF's benighted circumstances.
  • vajrabum 3y ago
    Great! If there's plenty could you please cite one or two?
    • dventimi 3y ago
      Sure. What's your rubric for judging citations? We need to know so that you don't move the goalposts.
      • vajrabum 3y ago
        I dunno, but it's certainly higher than a bald assertion about something that is a factual matter. And move the goalposts? You made specific claims about Nanci Pelosi and the liberal establishment. Plus I think it's interesting that you claim liberals opened a spigot of money without mentioning the Federal Reserve's zero rate interest policy of more than a decades standing under both Obama and Trump appointed Fed Chairs. That might have had something to do with junky startups getting funding, and why the funding dried up and a lot of startups went south when the interest rates went up.
        • dventimi 3y ago
          Why do you find it interesting that I didn't mention Trump? Do you somehow think I'm painting a target on Nancy's back because she's a Democrat, or a liberal? If you do then I find it interesting you overlooked the part where I said it hasn't got much to do with being a liberal. Anyway, when you figure out what your rubric is for judging evidence so that you're able to say someone more than "I dunno" then that's when you'll get your citations, and not a minute before.
          • vajrabum 3y ago
            I asked why you didn't mention the effect of the zero rate interest policy which had bipartisan support as evidenced by appointment of Fed Governors who voted for that policy over a decade and I asserted that policy was the main driver for that investment. I didn't ask about Trump or Obama. My rubric would be any evidence that Nancy Pelosi had a significant impact on investment in San Francisco. As gifted a politician as she is, I think there isn't any. Or if there was such an impact I think it was relatively small compared to the amounts of VC investment from say 2012 to 2022 in San Francisco based startups which were driven primarily by other factors.
            • dventimi 3y ago
              > Plus I think it's interesting that you claim liberals opened a spigot of money without mentioning the Federal Reserve's zero rate interest policy of more than a decades standing under both Obama and Trump appointed Fed Chairs You literally asked about both Trump and Obama.
              • vajrabum 3y ago
                Thanks for your answer. I'll look at the links. I'm not sure how asking about the impact of the Fed's zero interest rate policy is primarily about Trump or Obama, liberal or conservative, but you seem a little gunshy.
                • dventimi 3y ago
                  Let's try not to make this personal by saying how we seem to each other, shall we? As for how asking about how the impact of the Fed's policy is primarily about Obama or Trump, liberal or conservative, maybe it isn't. You tell me since you brought it up. If it's not about Obama or Trump, liberal or conservative, then perhaps you brought it up to say that other people besides Pelosi contributed to the ocean of money that poured into SF. If that's why you brought it up, then I wonder why you want to make that point. After all, I never said Pelosi deserves all the blame. I never said she deserves the largest share of the blame. A challenge was made at the top of thread, if I recall, to make an argument as to why Pelosi deserves some of the blame, ANY of the blame. I took up that challenge as I saw it. If it's your objective to argue that she deserves none of the blame, then I'd like to see that argument.