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someone on here a few years back said "You dont hate Jira. You hate that it's a mirror". It meant that Jira just reflects whatever your busines management poli

someone on here a few years back said "You dont hate Jira. You hate that it's a mirror". It meant that Jira just reflects whatever your busines management policies are and I think there is some truth in it.

t-writescode 3y ago
Nah. I hate how long it takes to load different pages. I hate the UI and how there's a bazillion non-removable fields that don't need to be filled in, but are present. I hate that you can't click on links inside Jira, but almost every real thing is actually a link, so that's unhelpful. I hate how it automagically saves changes. And many more things.
- darkstar999 3y ago
  > I hate the UI and how there's a bazillion non-removable fields that don't need to be filled in Huh? That must be configuration on your project. I haven’t experienced that.
  - jayd16 3y ago
    I hate tools that are almost always misconfigured.
Rayhem 3y ago
> You don't hate jira, you hate that it's a mirror Is this just a restatement of Conway's Law[1]? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law
echelon 3y ago
Jira is like trying to use Perl in 2023. It's slow, it's clunky, it's ugly, it's bug ridden, it's unloved, and nobody understands it. May it die a quick death. Did I also mention it's slow? I think I wrote this entire comment faster than one Jira page navigation. Maybe two, if I have to be charitable.
- Spooky23 3y ago
  Why hate on Perl? I used to get snotty comments from people opining about how awful Perl was and how great python etc was. The funny thing when it was time to get something done, I’d be finished by the time they hacked together whatever python dependency shitshow they were buried in. Perl’s time is in the past, but I wrote a ton of it, and some is still running in production in a few places 20+ years later.
  - echelon 3y ago
    It's just some lighthearted snark. No offense meant. I needed a point of reference for the analogy. If I'd mentioned PHP instead, people would have come out of the woodwork and vigorously protested. I figured there wouldn't be many Perl fans left. (Still tongue in cheek.)
1_1xdev1 3y ago
That was probably true in 2017, for on prem jira. JIRA cloud today is all that plus poor software quality.
duxup 3y ago
I hate all software that isn’t a mirror. And yet none of it can be. I’ve never used Jira but every task or list program that I’ve used does not reflect me and to do it I would have to manage it constantly. It doesn’t reflect the context switching I do, or all the communication I do outside it to make it work, or my notes on how I’m going to do a thing… rarely is it accurate on my time and so on.

t-writescode 3y ago

Nah. I hate how long it takes to load different pages. I hate the UI and how there's a bazillion non-removable fields that don't need to be filled in, but are present. I hate that you can't click on links inside Jira, but almost every real thing is actually a link, so that's unhelpful. I hate how it automagically saves changes. And many more things.

darkstar999 3y ago
> I hate the UI and how there's a bazillion non-removable fields that don't need to be filled in Huh? That must be configuration on your project. I haven’t experienced that.
- jayd16 3y ago
  I hate tools that are almost always misconfigured.

Rayhem 3y ago

> You don't hate jira, you hate that it's a mirror Is this just a restatement of Conway's Law[1]? [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law

echelon 3y ago

Jira is like trying to use Perl in 2023. It's slow, it's clunky, it's ugly, it's bug ridden, it's unloved, and nobody understands it. May it die a quick death. Did I also mention it's slow? I think I wrote this entire comment faster than one Jira page navigation. Maybe two, if I have to be charitable.

Spooky23 3y ago
Why hate on Perl? I used to get snotty comments from people opining about how awful Perl was and how great python etc was. The funny thing when it was time to get something done, I’d be finished by the time they hacked together whatever python dependency shitshow they were buried in. Perl’s time is in the past, but I wrote a ton of it, and some is still running in production in a few places 20+ years later.
- echelon 3y ago
  It's just some lighthearted snark. No offense meant. I needed a point of reference for the analogy. If I'd mentioned PHP instead, people would have come out of the woodwork and vigorously protested. I figured there wouldn't be many Perl fans left. (Still tongue in cheek.)

1_1xdev1 3y ago

That was probably true in 2017, for on prem jira. JIRA cloud today is all that plus poor software quality.

duxup 3y ago

I hate all software that isn’t a mirror. And yet none of it can be. I’ve never used Jira but every task or list program that I’ve used does not reflect me and to do it I would have to manage it constantly. It doesn’t reflect the context switching I do, or all the communication I do outside it to make it work, or my notes on how I’m going to do a thing… rarely is it accurate on my time and so on.