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Ted's Notes on Pawpaws (2016)
- ggm 3y ago"Istanbul not Constantinople" pawpaw/papaya. Alas.. as the article says not entirely: not all pawpaw are papaya. Ripe Papaya improve with a squeeze of lime. Green papaya are fantastic grated in south-east Asian salads.
- hprotagonist 3y agoCarica papaya and Asimina triloba are not particularly closely related.
- ggm 3y agoFruit naming is a disaster. Breadfruit have very little wheat in them and a pineapple is not a pine or an apple.
- hprotagonist 3y agonot just fruit; would you care for a sweetbread sandwich?
- Tao3300 3y agoI'd love one. Sounds offal.
- stevehawk 3y agohttps://english.stackexchange.com/questions/134659/why-is-pineapple-in-english-but-ananas-in-all-other-languages#134673 https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/134659/why-is-pi... case in point
- tdeck 3y agoIt's called a pineapple because it looks like a pinecone, and pineapple is an older term for a pinecone (the "apple" being a somewhat archaic generic term for fruits).
- margalabargala 3y agoIn Australia, "pawpaw" is a name for the yellow papaya, a variety of Carica papaya. If the person you replied to both 1) is Australian, and 2) did not read enough of the article to realize it was not talking about yellow papaya, then their confusion is legitimate.
- eyko 3y agoAnd don't get me started on North Americans and "yams" for sweet potates/kumaras.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y agoOr "yuca" for edible cassava, which is nothing to do with inedible "yucca".
- ukz 3y agoIstanbul not Baghdad.
- Tagbert 3y agoIstanbul aka Byzantium Baghdad would be in an entirely different country.
- ggm 3y agowhoosh that's the point. Pawpaw and papaya are different fruit, Istanbul and Constantinople were the same city
- Tagbert 3y agoMea culpa
- contingencies 3y agoThat's a dad bag right there.
- emmelaich 3y agoYeah, in Australia they're sometimes used interchangeably. This article goes over the differences within and between papaya and pawpaw. https://slowfastsoil.wordpress.com/2015/10/31/difference-between-papaya-and-papaw/ https://slowfastsoil.wordpress.com/2015/10/31/difference-bet...
- margalabargala 3y agoEven more confusingly, the pawpaw referenced in that article is merely another variety of papaya, and neither are are related to the North American pawpaw described in this article.
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- bitxbitxbitcoin 3y agoPapaw or pawpaw?
- jancsika 3y agoPaw paw, or paw-paw AFAICT. Accent is on the first "paw." So that's a no on papaw which would suggest pronouncing it "puh-PAH," or perhaps even "PAP-paw" which would create a name clash with the backwoodsian term for "father" Burl Ives and all the folk singers on Youtube agree: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsGJm10nJ6w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsGJm10nJ6w
- barathr 3y agoThey are easy to grow across a wide range of continental, temperate climates. They do have a downside though: unless you get a low-acetogenin variety, eating them more than once in a while has health impacts, possibly a Parkinson's-like syndrome. Here are some of the cultivars that are known to have low levels of acetogenins: Sunflower, Wabash, Potomac, Zimmerman, Wells. Here's a study: https://www.doc-developpement-durable.org/file/Culture/Arbres-Fruitiers/FICHES_ARBRES/Corossolier_Annona-muritica/Pawpaw%20Acetogenin%20Compounds.pdf https://www.doc-developpement-durable.org/file/Culture/Arbre... Also, folks in California should grow Cherimoyas and/or Atemoyas instead. They grow better in our climate and are generally better and safer.
- Loughla 3y agoIn the Midwest there's some kind of disease, I think it's a fungus, that has killed pretty well all native trees, and will kill them if you plant them. Source: the three groves we used to have, and the trees that keep dying when I plant them in my yard.
- foobiekr 3y agoI was not aware cherimoya was documented as lower incidence.
- 01100011 3y agoMany years ago I tasted a ripe cherimoya from a farmer's market in Cambria, CA. It ruined me and sent me on a neverending and expensive quest to find another ripe cherimoya in a grocery store. The fruit was amazing, save for the giant seeds. Alas I have never found another one as good as that. Most of the time you spend $7+ only to find you have yet another bad specimen.
- anon84873628 3y agoLots of direct sellers on the internet. Join the "fruit 4 sale" group on Facebook to start.
- dharma1 3y agoOne of my favourite fruits. Now more widely available in Europe thanks to farmers starting to produce them in Southern Spain - you can find them in the UK at Asian food shops for ~£2 each. Just leave to ripen until soft, otherwise won’t be nice. Would love to find a good exotic fruit wholesaler in London/UK for better pricing!
- pard68 3y agoI love pawpaws. Had never heard of them until I move to the southern US. Now I can't wait for fall. We freeze them and eat them like a custard. Another favorite fruit I'd never heard of but is native to the southern US is passion fruit. My kids sit in the field eating them all afternoon most days in September.
- BenjiWiebe 3y agoThis is the first I've heard that passion fruit is native to the US, and I can't find any information on that. Are you sure they are wild passion fruit, and not something else?
- pard68 3y agoVery certain. The colloquial term is "maypop" and the scientific term is passiflora incarnata. There are numerous species, this is the most northern and its native to the southern US. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passiflora_incarnata https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passiflora_incarnata
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoI love sites like this. Really takes me back to the days of the old internet.
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- raybb 3y agoThere is a 2017 book about them: Pawpaw: In Search of America’s Forgotten Fruit by Andrew Moore https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20012930W/Pawpaw https://openlibrary.org/works/OL20012930W/Pawpaw I have not read it yet but almost bought it when I first learned about them.
- bhb916 3y agoThis isn't textbook Baader–Meinhof, but after 4 decades of never consciously hearing about this fruit I've now encountered it three times in one week: [1] on the allowed low fodmap diet, [2] in the lyrics of a jungle book song, and [3] this article. My family is now on a mission to find one and taste test.
- anon84873628 3y agoThe popularity of them has dramatically increased in recent years. So it's not just you.
- snowwrestler 3y agoI’ve had pretty easy access to wild pawpaws and tried them a bunch over the past couple decades. I’d say they are not for everyone. I find the initial flavor ok, quite mild, with a weird dry/bitter aftertaste that I don’t enjoy. I don’t bother picking them anymore. Definitely worth seeking out and trying if you are curious. But I think their reputation for tastiness has been enhanced by the difficulty of getting them. Only folks who truly love them put in the work (like this guy) to evangelize them. And in general, rarity tends to make things seem more interesting.
- Loughla 3y agoThey have to be super ripe to avoid that "dryness". Like after a good hard frost sort of ripe. Like a persimmon.
- pkdpic 3y agoDang, Free Software Foundation member #33. Those are some legit pawpaws.
- liampulles 3y agoQuite common here in South Africa, can get them from regular supermarkets.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y agoNB, Not noted in "Ted's Notes on Pawpaws": Pawpaw vs papaya. The fruit that is commonly called "Pawpaw" in South Africa and some other countries is this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papaya "The papaya or pawpaw is the plant species Carica papaya" From the photos, the author is however talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina_triloba https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asimina_triloba "Asimina triloba, the American papaw, pawpaw, paw paw, or paw-paw" Which doesn't appear to be closely related at all. They're in different Orders: Magnoliales vs Brassicales
- supertofu 3y agoI had no idea this fruit was Native to the US! I can't stop smiling at the idyll of the enchanted creek side pawpaw grove.
- ericb 3y agoIs it me, or does that picture look like poison ivy halfway down the page where he says: "and possibly two smaller ones (unconfirmed, since they didn't look like they could spare any leaf) peeking out from under a pile of downed trees. Why still so small? My theory is that the top growth was crushed in the general wreckage and the rootstocks had to start over with fresh shoots."
- InitialLastName 3y agoI had the same gut response to that photo, but (at least in the case of the first) if you look closely there appears to be a single-leaf sprout further down one of the stems, which is not poison ivy's pattern. In the latter two photos with the smaller sprouts I could see the argument, but the leaves look to have very straight edges relative to poison ivy (and I would assume someone like this would be aware of poison ivy growing in an area of his property, especially if he has a blog about growing a plant that looks a bit like poison ivy).
- huthuthike 3y agoOther than having leaves of three it looks nothing like poison ivy to me. My bonafides are I have poison ivy growing on my property and clear it out frequently. Poison ivy usually has a red stem and typically the leaves have a prominent "thumb" sticking out near the base on one side.
- tomwheeler 3y agoIf anyone wants to try one and will be in the St. Louis area in late September, let me know (e-mail is my profile). There are at least 100 pawpaw trees in the woods behind my house and there's at least a dozen pieces of fruit ready to be picked that time of year.
- n2dasun 3y agoThis is great to come across. I had an employee bring me some years ago and I instantly became obsessed. I have two cultivars planted in my yard and got my neighbor to allow me to plant another in their yard. I think I'm 2 or 3 years out from getting fruit, but I'm still excited