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Yeah honestly the bikers that I hear people rage about are the folks who ride in the middle of roads, especially uphill, and who don't even try to let folks pas

by gedy 3y ago

Yeah honestly the bikers that I hear people rage about are the folks who ride in the middle of roads, especially uphill, and who don't even try to let folks pass. They get mad at people driving slowly like that too. Independent of who's "right", when I bike, I don't do that, and can't say I've ever had anyone in a car angry at me.

nimbleplum40 3y ago
Taking the lane is really the only way to bike safely in traffic though unless there is a ton of space for cars to safely pass.
- gedy 3y ago
  I've see people move into the middle of the lane for an approaching car so it won't pass, and when there would've been room to pass safely. I think these folks are the ones giving bikers a bad name by being antagonistic to prove a point.
  - cmh89 3y ago
    They aren't being antagonistic, they are protecting themselves. Allowing a motorists to pass you without leaving their lane is a really good way to end up dead and is also illegal on the motorists part. They are moving over to force the motorist to pass them in a legal and safe manner.
    - gedy 3y ago
      If I'm driving well under limit due to towing, looking for address, etc - I pull over and let people pass. It's not so hard for a bike to do same. I've also seen bikers upset when a kid is going slowly in a bike lane? So I think many of the spandex-clad dudes have some control issues.
      - nickthegreek 3y ago
        I felt like you just ignored the point of the person replying to you. Cyclists are in more danger from passing cars when they aren't in the middle of the lane, as they tend to get run off the road. When they are in the middle of the lane, the other car needs to perform the same passing technique they would normally do (exiting the lane and getting into the oncoming traffic lane). The chances of you getting into a wreck for pulling over getting hit in a Tow Truck is in no way equivalent to a cyclist doing the same thing. You have visibility and weight. As a non-cyclist, ya it can be a pain in the ass, but the cyclist has the legal right to the whole lane.
        gedy 3y ago
        Which was ignoring my point above: "I've see people move into the middle of the lane for an approaching car so it won't pass, and when there would've been room to pass safely." At least in California the law is: "Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb". I get the safely part, but I'm talking wide separated lanes here, well over 14ft with weekend warrior-types trying to swerve in front of cars after having them behind them for a mile or two (no honking or tailgating). It's ridiculous and needlessly aggressive.
        nickthegreek 3y ago
        I'm sure there are tons of cyclist who misue these rules and are truly unsafe. Also, the Cali law isnt as cut and dry as you stated. "A new bicycle lane change law was approved in 2022 and took effect on January 1, 2023, across all of California. Motorists approaching or overtaking a cyclist on the road must now switch lanes if another lane is available." https://maisonlaw.com/safety-laws/bicycle-lane-change/ https://maisonlaw.com/safety-laws/bicycle-lane-change/ Also to note: "In certain circumstances, cyclists may “take the lane” and use an entire lane, just as a car would. Riders may claim a full lane if they are passing, readying for a left turn, steering clear of an obstacle, or if they feel the lane is too narrow to share with a car" Once a law leaves latitude for how someone was "feeling", it effectively legalizes the practice in almost every scenario.
dools 3y ago
Let's imagine a country road with a windy uphill bit, such as one where you might get stuck behind a cyclist going uphill. The speed limit is 80km/h, but through the windy bit, you can only average 60km/h. Let's assume the rest of the time you average 80km/h. Say the windy bit is 2km, and the rest of the journey is 38km. This trip would normally take you 30 minutes and 30 seconds: ((38/80)+(2/60))*60 = 30.5 Now let's assume you get stuck behind a cyclist going uphill at an average of 10km/h during the 2km windy bit: ((38/80)+(2/10))*60 = 40.5 So your trip time increases by 10 minutes. Now compare that to a typical peak hour traffic delay. Why are people willing to endanger the lives of cyclists for what is a very mild, occassional traffic delay?

by gedy 3y ago

nimbleplum40 3y ago

Taking the lane is really the only way to bike safely in traffic though unless there is a ton of space for cars to safely pass.

gedy 3y ago
I've see people move into the middle of the lane for an approaching car so it won't pass, and when there would've been room to pass safely. I think these folks are the ones giving bikers a bad name by being antagonistic to prove a point.
- cmh89 3y ago
  They aren't being antagonistic, they are protecting themselves. Allowing a motorists to pass you without leaving their lane is a really good way to end up dead and is also illegal on the motorists part. They are moving over to force the motorist to pass them in a legal and safe manner.
  - gedy 3y ago
    If I'm driving well under limit due to towing, looking for address, etc - I pull over and let people pass. It's not so hard for a bike to do same. I've also seen bikers upset when a kid is going slowly in a bike lane? So I think many of the spandex-clad dudes have some control issues.
    - nickthegreek 3y ago
      I felt like you just ignored the point of the person replying to you. Cyclists are in more danger from passing cars when they aren't in the middle of the lane, as they tend to get run off the road. When they are in the middle of the lane, the other car needs to perform the same passing technique they would normally do (exiting the lane and getting into the oncoming traffic lane). The chances of you getting into a wreck for pulling over getting hit in a Tow Truck is in no way equivalent to a cyclist doing the same thing. You have visibility and weight. As a non-cyclist, ya it can be a pain in the ass, but the cyclist has the legal right to the whole lane.
      - gedy 3y ago
        Which was ignoring my point above: "I've see people move into the middle of the lane for an approaching car so it won't pass, and when there would've been room to pass safely." At least in California the law is: "Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb". I get the safely part, but I'm talking wide separated lanes here, well over 14ft with weekend warrior-types trying to swerve in front of cars after having them behind them for a mile or two (no honking or tailgating). It's ridiculous and needlessly aggressive.
        nickthegreek 3y ago
        I'm sure there are tons of cyclist who misue these rules and are truly unsafe. Also, the Cali law isnt as cut and dry as you stated. "A new bicycle lane change law was approved in 2022 and took effect on January 1, 2023, across all of California. Motorists approaching or overtaking a cyclist on the road must now switch lanes if another lane is available." https://maisonlaw.com/safety-laws/bicycle-lane-change/ https://maisonlaw.com/safety-laws/bicycle-lane-change/ Also to note: "In certain circumstances, cyclists may “take the lane” and use an entire lane, just as a car would. Riders may claim a full lane if they are passing, readying for a left turn, steering clear of an obstacle, or if they feel the lane is too narrow to share with a car" Once a law leaves latitude for how someone was "feeling", it effectively legalizes the practice in almost every scenario.

dools 3y ago

Let's imagine a country road with a windy uphill bit, such as one where you might get stuck behind a cyclist going uphill. The speed limit is 80km/h, but through the windy bit, you can only average 60km/h. Let's assume the rest of the time you average 80km/h. Say the windy bit is 2km, and the rest of the journey is 38km. This trip would normally take you 30 minutes and 30 seconds: ((38/80)+(2/60))*60 = 30.5 Now let's assume you get stuck behind a cyclist going uphill at an average of 10km/h during the 2km windy bit: ((38/80)+(2/10))*60 = 40.5 So your trip time increases by 10 minutes. Now compare that to a typical peak hour traffic delay. Why are people willing to endanger the lives of cyclists for what is a very mild, occassional traffic delay?