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The problem is all the rapha weekend warriors blocking roads. I’m a cyclist and a car enthusiast and so I straddle the line between both groups. Obviously cycli

The problem is all the rapha weekend warriors blocking roads. I’m a cyclist and a car enthusiast and so I straddle the line between both groups. Obviously cyclists are the underdog here but they aren’t all angels.

rpearl 3y ago
*using roads
- whalesalad 3y ago
  I ride in the road. I occupy a full lane. I use my u-lock to dent body panels when needed. There’s still a way to coexist with cars and a way to be an obnoxious rider.
  - Gigachad 3y ago
    Occupying the full lane is the suggested way to ride for your safety. Drivers will attempt to kill you if you ride on the side by running you in to the gutter to perform an unsafe overtake.
Gigachad 3y ago
So the thousands of uber eats drivers blocking the roads to transport a sandwich are a non issue, but a tiny number of people using the roads to go somewhere on the weekend are?
- TinyRick 3y ago
  False dichotomy fallacy.
snappy173 3y ago
No, that’s not actually “the problem”
- whalesalad 3y ago
  what is? there is no problem if you understand the way the world truly works. people drive cars. the utopian bicycle world does not exist.
  - jimjimjim 3y ago
    sure fine. try nothing. fix nothing. better nothing. do nothing. accept the bad.
  - yowzadave 3y ago
    “The world”—this all depends on where you live. There are plenty of places that are very bike-friendly. How do you think they got that way?
  - snappy173 3y ago
    There are lots of problems. But if you think that one of them is groups of people engaging in athletics and enjoying the outdoors, then I would suggest that one of the problems may be in the mirror…
nimbleplum40 3y ago
Is there safe bike infrastructure on these roads? If not, where else are they supposed to ride?
- nullindividual 3y ago
  When you choose to ride in a 55+mph two-lane highway in the country side when you've got logging and gravel trucks continually passing you, I don't know. Can we consider that a death wish, no matter what the law says on paper? These aren't commuters as it is ~40 minutes by car to the mothership and they're most often found on the nice days during the weekend wearing spandex, sometimes even with numbers on their back.
gedy 3y ago
Yeah honestly the bikers that I hear people rage about are the folks who ride in the middle of roads, especially uphill, and who don't even try to let folks pass. They get mad at people driving slowly like that too. Independent of who's "right", when I bike, I don't do that, and can't say I've ever had anyone in a car angry at me.
- nimbleplum40 3y ago
  Taking the lane is really the only way to bike safely in traffic though unless there is a ton of space for cars to safely pass.
  - gedy 3y ago
    I've see people move into the middle of the lane for an approaching car so it won't pass, and when there would've been room to pass safely. I think these folks are the ones giving bikers a bad name by being antagonistic to prove a point.
    - cmh89 3y ago
      They aren't being antagonistic, they are protecting themselves. Allowing a motorists to pass you without leaving their lane is a really good way to end up dead and is also illegal on the motorists part. They are moving over to force the motorist to pass them in a legal and safe manner.
      - gedy 3y ago
        If I'm driving well under limit due to towing, looking for address, etc - I pull over and let people pass. It's not so hard for a bike to do same. I've also seen bikers upset when a kid is going slowly in a bike lane? So I think many of the spandex-clad dudes have some control issues.
        nickthegreek 3y ago
        I felt like you just ignored the point of the person replying to you. Cyclists are in more danger from passing cars when they aren't in the middle of the lane, as they tend to get run off the road. When they are in the middle of the lane, the other car needs to perform the same passing technique they would normally do (exiting the lane and getting into the oncoming traffic lane). The chances of you getting into a wreck for pulling over getting hit in a Tow Truck is in no way equivalent to a cyclist doing the same thing. You have visibility and weight. As a non-cyclist, ya it can be a pain in the ass, but the cyclist has the legal right to the whole lane.
cmh89 3y ago
I've never heard of this, are cyclists in your area just sitting in the road?

rpearl 3y ago

*using roads

whalesalad 3y ago
I ride in the road. I occupy a full lane. I use my u-lock to dent body panels when needed. There’s still a way to coexist with cars and a way to be an obnoxious rider.
- Gigachad 3y ago
  Occupying the full lane is the suggested way to ride for your safety. Drivers will attempt to kill you if you ride on the side by running you in to the gutter to perform an unsafe overtake.

Gigachad 3y ago

So the thousands of uber eats drivers blocking the roads to transport a sandwich are a non issue, but a tiny number of people using the roads to go somewhere on the weekend are?

TinyRick 3y ago
False dichotomy fallacy.

snappy173 3y ago

No, that’s not actually “the problem”

whalesalad 3y ago
what is? there is no problem if you understand the way the world truly works. people drive cars. the utopian bicycle world does not exist.
- jimjimjim 3y ago
  sure fine. try nothing. fix nothing. better nothing. do nothing. accept the bad.
- yowzadave 3y ago
  “The world”—this all depends on where you live. There are plenty of places that are very bike-friendly. How do you think they got that way?
- snappy173 3y ago
  There are lots of problems. But if you think that one of them is groups of people engaging in athletics and enjoying the outdoors, then I would suggest that one of the problems may be in the mirror…

nimbleplum40 3y ago

Is there safe bike infrastructure on these roads? If not, where else are they supposed to ride?

nullindividual 3y ago
When you choose to ride in a 55+mph two-lane highway in the country side when you've got logging and gravel trucks continually passing you, I don't know. Can we consider that a death wish, no matter what the law says on paper? These aren't commuters as it is ~40 minutes by car to the mothership and they're most often found on the nice days during the weekend wearing spandex, sometimes even with numbers on their back.

gedy 3y ago

Yeah honestly the bikers that I hear people rage about are the folks who ride in the middle of roads, especially uphill, and who don't even try to let folks pass. They get mad at people driving slowly like that too. Independent of who's "right", when I bike, I don't do that, and can't say I've ever had anyone in a car angry at me.

nimbleplum40 3y ago
Taking the lane is really the only way to bike safely in traffic though unless there is a ton of space for cars to safely pass.
- gedy 3y ago
  I've see people move into the middle of the lane for an approaching car so it won't pass, and when there would've been room to pass safely. I think these folks are the ones giving bikers a bad name by being antagonistic to prove a point.
  - cmh89 3y ago
    They aren't being antagonistic, they are protecting themselves. Allowing a motorists to pass you without leaving their lane is a really good way to end up dead and is also illegal on the motorists part. They are moving over to force the motorist to pass them in a legal and safe manner.
    - gedy 3y ago
      If I'm driving well under limit due to towing, looking for address, etc - I pull over and let people pass. It's not so hard for a bike to do same. I've also seen bikers upset when a kid is going slowly in a bike lane? So I think many of the spandex-clad dudes have some control issues.
      - nickthegreek 3y ago
        I felt like you just ignored the point of the person replying to you. Cyclists are in more danger from passing cars when they aren't in the middle of the lane, as they tend to get run off the road. When they are in the middle of the lane, the other car needs to perform the same passing technique they would normally do (exiting the lane and getting into the oncoming traffic lane). The chances of you getting into a wreck for pulling over getting hit in a Tow Truck is in no way equivalent to a cyclist doing the same thing. You have visibility and weight. As a non-cyclist, ya it can be a pain in the ass, but the cyclist has the legal right to the whole lane.

cmh89 3y ago

I've never heard of this, are cyclists in your area just sitting in the road?