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Especially with "the Denver stop" which has now been made legal in Colorado. My son got clipped on his (human powered) scooter by a truck at an intersection th

Especially with "the Denver stop" which has now been made legal in Colorado. My son got clipped on his (human powered) scooter by a truck at an intersection the other day. He had a walk signal so the driver should have yielded. Instead, the driver plodded through his left turn, unaware that his neglect put him inches away from prison. So, yeah; cyclists can roll through an intersection all they want but, I'm not doing it.

grouchomarx 3y ago
what you're describing is why cyclists jump lights. I've commuted in a west coast metro for the last ten years by bike. When the opposite light changes yellow I'm on the pedals to establish myself if the lane before the cars behind me get a green. In your son's case (best to him) he'd be clearing the intersection before truck moron goes ramming speed through a crosswalk
- aranchelk 3y ago
  Giving yourself the equivalent of a pedestrian lead. I don’t do it, but I see the logic in it. OTOH, if you ever get distracted or otherwise fail to notice a driver racing a red you’re royally fucked.
  - grouchomarx 3y ago
    Happens from time to time. Ready on the brake and looking both ways
  - FridgeSeal 3y ago
    I watch the traffic like a hawk whenever I’m considering doing it. If there’s no stopped cars in the lanes already (I live in a city, so this is super common for me), I’m way more guaranteed to do it, because trucks/buses/taxis/inattentive drivers barreling through “late yellows” is something I’ve seen waaay to many times.
nimbleplum40 3y ago
The Idaho stop (what I think you’re referring to) is actually _safer_ for cyclists [1]. [1] https://www.codot.gov/safety/traffic-safety-pulse/2022/may/assets/safety-stop-pamphlet-final.pdf https://www.codot.gov/safety/traffic-safety-pulse/2022/may/a...
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noughtme 3y ago
I am unfamiliar with the Denver stop. My experience in many cities that have adopted the Idaho stop (allowing cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs), is that most cyclists are hilariously reckless and roll through at full speed. Watching streams of cyclists hold up confused drivers at 4-way stops is endlessly entertaining.

grouchomarx 3y ago

what you're describing is why cyclists jump lights. I've commuted in a west coast metro for the last ten years by bike. When the opposite light changes yellow I'm on the pedals to establish myself if the lane before the cars behind me get a green. In your son's case (best to him) he'd be clearing the intersection before truck moron goes ramming speed through a crosswalk

aranchelk 3y ago
Giving yourself the equivalent of a pedestrian lead. I don’t do it, but I see the logic in it. OTOH, if you ever get distracted or otherwise fail to notice a driver racing a red you’re royally fucked.
- grouchomarx 3y ago
  Happens from time to time. Ready on the brake and looking both ways
- FridgeSeal 3y ago
  I watch the traffic like a hawk whenever I’m considering doing it. If there’s no stopped cars in the lanes already (I live in a city, so this is super common for me), I’m way more guaranteed to do it, because trucks/buses/taxis/inattentive drivers barreling through “late yellows” is something I’ve seen waaay to many times.

nimbleplum40 3y ago

The Idaho stop (what I think you’re referring to) is actually _safer_ for cyclists [1]. [1] https://www.codot.gov/safety/traffic-safety-pulse/2022/may/assets/safety-stop-pamphlet-final.pdf https://www.codot.gov/safety/traffic-safety-pulse/2022/may/a...

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noughtme 3y ago

I am unfamiliar with the Denver stop. My experience in many cities that have adopted the Idaho stop (allowing cyclists to treat stop signs as yield signs), is that most cyclists are hilariously reckless and roll through at full speed. Watching streams of cyclists hold up confused drivers at 4-way stops is endlessly entertaining.