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I am strongly in the camp that the platform previously know as Twitter can do whatever it wants, it isn’t a public square, and I stand by that now. I will also

I am strongly in the camp that the platform previously know as Twitter can do whatever it wants, it isn’t a public square, and I stand by that now. I will also make fun of Elon for being a thin skinned toddler. Why do you assume everyone who takes that stance is on one side or the other instead of actually holding the position that they state? Do you think all people’s values are so weakly swayed by who they are applied to?

lockhouse 3y ago
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coldtea 3y ago
>Do you think all people’s values are so weakly swayed by who they are applied to? All not. Most yes. This summarizes almost the entirety of modern social media and traditional media discussion.
more_corn 3y ago
You present a silly position. Sure it is a private company but artificially stacking the deck against competition, either business or speech, violates the core promise of a free market democracy: that the best wins. Competition makes the best products for the lowest prices, free discourse allows the most sound ideas to rise to the top. Secretly screwing with what should be a level playing-field is dishonest and demonstrates a weakness in your products and/or ideas. Dishonesty has no place in business or public discourse. And in this case is anticompetitive which makes it illegal. Now that it has come to light you’ll see him scrambling to undo it because it doesn’t stand up to public scrutiny.
- eightysixfour 3y ago
  > Sure it is a private company but artificially stacking the deck against competition, either business or speech, violates the core promise of a free market democracy: that the best wins. But Twitter isn’t a free market nor a democracy. It’s a private media company. Private media companies stack the deck every day, it is THEIR deck. Don’t want a stacked deck? Don’t play their game. The only place you are (supposed to be) guaranteed a free market and democracy is from the government and with public goods. I’ve had this argument before here on HN. My end stance is that connections to the internet need to have connectivity guarantees for legal services (and they’re regulated and heavily publicly funded, so I think this is reasonable) so that people can create competitive services. However cloud providers, private platforms, etc. don’t owe you anything beyond their own T&Cs, which they can obviously change. Also, open invite to email me at the address in my profile. I have a virtual Sunday morning coffee group that loves to argue over stuff like this and you’re welcome to join and we can talk it out.
username332211 3y ago
Where does that "thin skinned toddler" thing come from? If the Washington Post article is any indication, Musk's likely motive isn't a personal offense. It's that the New York Times published what he called apologia for genocide. Is he a thin skinned toddler for trying to reduce readership in a publication that puts people's lives at risk? And I don't assume everyone is on a side, but I'm going to assume you are. Why? Because the irrational partisans I've seen on the internet tend to impute the basest and most repugnant motives possible into the actions of those they hate I think we've all seen quite a lot of it, be it "They like firearms because they have small reproductive organs." or "They support immigration because they hate the local working class." All borne out from a childish desire to live in a world of shining heroes and cackling villains. Now, maybe your toddler comment is borne out of a careful analysis of Musk's psychological state, and if that's so you have my apologies.
- eightysixfour 3y ago
  > Where does that "thin skinned toddler" thing come from? Probably when he got so angry at a competitor for launching a rival app that he publicly challenged him to a fight, then backed out when the competitor agreed to do it, then said he was going to go over to his house and kick his ass when he got called out for backing out? Or maybe it was taking a play from the Trump playbook with the dumb nicknames for people. Or maybe it was the way he tried to treat Halli. Or maybe it was the jet tracker thing. Maybe it was pedo guy years ago. At the end of the day, I’m not sure which “Elon moment” put him in that category for me. As someone who would have previously considered themselves a fan I’m not mad, just disappointed. > And I don't assume everyone is on a side, but I'm going to assume you are. Why? My side is “Twitter is a private company and can do what they like and I can criticize them for their behavior and motives on any platform that will have me.”
  - Clent 3y ago
    Pedo comment was the moment that sealed it for me. The projection involved in NPD...along with the wealth...casually tossing that accusation. It makes me sick. Note: I realize NPD is tossed about too frequently but anyone that has had the misfortune of ending up in a long term relationship with a narcassist can spot them.
raxxorraxor 3y ago
Because behavior is often more predictable than we like to admit. Especially on the stance of freedom of expression. There are books full of content.

lockhouse 3y ago

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coldtea 3y ago

>Do you think all people’s values are so weakly swayed by who they are applied to? All not. Most yes. This summarizes almost the entirety of modern social media and traditional media discussion.

more_corn 3y ago

You present a silly position. Sure it is a private company but artificially stacking the deck against competition, either business or speech, violates the core promise of a free market democracy: that the best wins. Competition makes the best products for the lowest prices, free discourse allows the most sound ideas to rise to the top. Secretly screwing with what should be a level playing-field is dishonest and demonstrates a weakness in your products and/or ideas. Dishonesty has no place in business or public discourse. And in this case is anticompetitive which makes it illegal. Now that it has come to light you’ll see him scrambling to undo it because it doesn’t stand up to public scrutiny.

eightysixfour 3y ago
> Sure it is a private company but artificially stacking the deck against competition, either business or speech, violates the core promise of a free market democracy: that the best wins. But Twitter isn’t a free market nor a democracy. It’s a private media company. Private media companies stack the deck every day, it is THEIR deck. Don’t want a stacked deck? Don’t play their game. The only place you are (supposed to be) guaranteed a free market and democracy is from the government and with public goods. I’ve had this argument before here on HN. My end stance is that connections to the internet need to have connectivity guarantees for legal services (and they’re regulated and heavily publicly funded, so I think this is reasonable) so that people can create competitive services. However cloud providers, private platforms, etc. don’t owe you anything beyond their own T&Cs, which they can obviously change. Also, open invite to email me at the address in my profile. I have a virtual Sunday morning coffee group that loves to argue over stuff like this and you’re welcome to join and we can talk it out.

username332211 3y ago

Where does that "thin skinned toddler" thing come from? If the Washington Post article is any indication, Musk's likely motive isn't a personal offense. It's that the New York Times published what he called apologia for genocide. Is he a thin skinned toddler for trying to reduce readership in a publication that puts people's lives at risk? And I don't assume everyone is on a side, but I'm going to assume you are. Why? Because the irrational partisans I've seen on the internet tend to impute the basest and most repugnant motives possible into the actions of those they hate I think we've all seen quite a lot of it, be it "They like firearms because they have small reproductive organs." or "They support immigration because they hate the local working class." All borne out from a childish desire to live in a world of shining heroes and cackling villains. Now, maybe your toddler comment is borne out of a careful analysis of Musk's psychological state, and if that's so you have my apologies.

eightysixfour 3y ago
> Where does that "thin skinned toddler" thing come from? Probably when he got so angry at a competitor for launching a rival app that he publicly challenged him to a fight, then backed out when the competitor agreed to do it, then said he was going to go over to his house and kick his ass when he got called out for backing out? Or maybe it was taking a play from the Trump playbook with the dumb nicknames for people. Or maybe it was the way he tried to treat Halli. Or maybe it was the jet tracker thing. Maybe it was pedo guy years ago. At the end of the day, I’m not sure which “Elon moment” put him in that category for me. As someone who would have previously considered themselves a fan I’m not mad, just disappointed. > And I don't assume everyone is on a side, but I'm going to assume you are. Why? My side is “Twitter is a private company and can do what they like and I can criticize them for their behavior and motives on any platform that will have me.”
- Clent 3y ago
  Pedo comment was the moment that sealed it for me. The projection involved in NPD...along with the wealth...casually tossing that accusation. It makes me sick. Note: I realize NPD is tossed about too frequently but anyone that has had the misfortune of ending up in a long term relationship with a narcassist can spot them.

raxxorraxor 3y ago

Because behavior is often more predictable than we like to admit. Especially on the stance of freedom of expression. There are books full of content.