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That’s not that much money anymore for high stress low quality of life work. UPS driver and railroad worker wages are in the same range And people don’t really

That’s not that much money anymore for high stress low quality of life work. UPS driver and railroad worker wages are in the same range And people don’t really want those jobs either

robotnikman 3y ago
Slightly unrelated, but my brother is working at UPS now and is making decent income. He went to a coding bootcamp 2 years ago and has had absolutely no luck finding a front end web dev position. I'm just glad he has a stable and well paying job for now, though I hope he finds his way to doing something else that's more sustainable for him, especially since he is beginning to have issues with his back. Maybe his best bet is finding a web dev job (or a dev job in general) within the company itself, since usually inside hires are preferred.
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alistairSH 3y ago
From UPS's website, the average package delivery driver earns $140k in total comp (incl. benefits). The average long-haul driver is $170k. Some high school friends drive for UPS (local package trucks). It's a solid income, but it's not a walk in the park either. They have quotas to meet. And late Fall through late Winter is a mad-house. That said, I believe they're union and both will be retiring well before me. https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html
- organsnyder 3y ago
  There's also the stress it puts on your body. How many UPS drivers do you see that are 50 or older?
  - alistairSH 3y ago
    Yep, that's what I meant by "it's not a walk in the park" - it's physically demanding labor. My friends are mid-40s, it will be interesting to see when they retire.
shrubble 3y ago
One job is sitting in a chair in an air-conditioned room using your brain to track detailed information. The UPS job is literally done by people in the top decile of physical fitness in the USA who are moving continuously and are so regimented that there's a "proper" way to carry the keys to the truck. They're not really comparable in many ways.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  > there's a "proper" way to carry the keys to the truck That's a rule developed out of accident analysis, UPS drivers are trained to put the keys in their pocket as the first step of many procedures so that it becomes habit and they don't leave the truck running or create any possibility that someone will start it while the driver is away from the driver's seat.
  - shrubble 3y ago
    I was referring to the "hold the keyring on the pinky finger" method but just read that UPS now has key fobs which the driver attaches to the belt, saving 2 seconds per stop...

That’s not that much money anymore for high stress low quality of life work. UPS driver and railroad worker wages are in the same range And people don’t really want those jobs either

robotnikman 3y ago

Slightly unrelated, but my brother is working at UPS now and is making decent income. He went to a coding bootcamp 2 years ago and has had absolutely no luck finding a front end web dev position. I'm just glad he has a stable and well paying job for now, though I hope he finds his way to doing something else that's more sustainable for him, especially since he is beginning to have issues with his back. Maybe his best bet is finding a web dev job (or a dev job in general) within the company itself, since usually inside hires are preferred.

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alistairSH 3y ago

From UPS's website, the average package delivery driver earns $140k in total comp (incl. benefits). The average long-haul driver is $170k. Some high school friends drive for UPS (local package trucks). It's a solid income, but it's not a walk in the park either. They have quotas to meet. And late Fall through late Winter is a mad-house. That said, I believe they're union and both will be retiring well before me. https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html

organsnyder 3y ago
There's also the stress it puts on your body. How many UPS drivers do you see that are 50 or older?
- alistairSH 3y ago
  Yep, that's what I meant by "it's not a walk in the park" - it's physically demanding labor. My friends are mid-40s, it will be interesting to see when they retire.

shrubble 3y ago

One job is sitting in a chair in an air-conditioned room using your brain to track detailed information. The UPS job is literally done by people in the top decile of physical fitness in the USA who are moving continuously and are so regimented that there's a "proper" way to carry the keys to the truck. They're not really comparable in many ways.

SoftTalker 3y ago
> there's a "proper" way to carry the keys to the truck That's a rule developed out of accident analysis, UPS drivers are trained to put the keys in their pocket as the first step of many procedures so that it becomes habit and they don't leave the truck running or create any possibility that someone will start it while the driver is away from the driver's seat.
- shrubble 3y ago
  I was referring to the "hold the keyring on the pinky finger" method but just read that UPS now has key fobs which the driver attaches to the belt, saving 2 seconds per stop...