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How the fuck is that comparable ? They are currently 30 people still detained in Guantanomo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees htt

How the fuck is that comparable ? They are currently 30 people still detained in Guantanomo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detaine... 780 people in total have been detained in Guantanamo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_cam... The https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_internment_camps has seen between 1 and 3 millions of people. > Up to 1.8 million (2020 Zenz estimate)[2] > 1 million – 3 million over a period of several years (2019 Schriver estimate)[3][4] I am not even American.

willcipriano 3y ago
We're the good guys because our concentration camps are smaller? In other words, if China had camps the size of US ones it would be ok?
- johnchristopher 3y ago
  > We're the good guys because our concentration camps are smaller? Basically, yeah. The US are way less worse than China. 700 people is a rounding error compared to China's camps. > In other words, if China had camps the size of US ones it would be ok? It would be better, yes. I wish China had camps the size of the US ones since that means between 1 and 3 millions people wouldn't have had (and still have) to live/suffer in them. I wish neither US nor china had them though.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    The way I see it, it's only the people who don't have concentration camps that have the moral standing to complain about them. You don't get to play "do as I say not as I do" on the world stage and the US should be laughed off it when it tries (this is happening more and more). That is the cost we pay for being evil.
    - johnchristopher 3y ago
      > The way I see it, it's only the people who don't have concentration camps that have the moral standing to complain about them. Well, no. If the American people doesn't want to partner with China because 1-3 millions in camps is too much to stomach for them (remember, they only had 700 people and it already was a huge problem for them) and they want to complain about it and maybe this could lead to force China to reassess the situation ? There's a better chance of things moving in the right direction with the US complaining than with Luxembourg or San Marino. I doubt disqualifying that course of action because of some absolutist Sith moral has ever been known to change things for the better. > You don't get to play "do as I say not as I do" on the world stage and the US should be laughed off it when it tries (this is happening more and more). That is the cost we pay for being evil. Yeah, and yet they still do. It's a process. There are backward steps and forward steps. The country recognizing it has a concentration camp problem of 30 people today is much further on the right path than the country denying it has a 1.8million concentration camp population problem. If it can call out the other's bigger bullshit and drag them along further on the right path then it's a good thing.
      - willcipriano 3y ago
        > Well, no. If the American people doesn't want to partner with China because 1-3 millions in camps is too much to stomach That's the part you are missing. American politicians including the president and his family receive millions from China. US businesses, including Hollywood seem quite happy to deal with China and bend over backwards for them. Hell, lots of products sold in the US are likely made in the very labor camps they are complaining about. > There are backward steps and forward steps. That would be fine if the people behind the backward step weren't still in charge. We cant claimed to have learned anything if we can't even bother to replace a few elderly politicians who voted for a couple decades of war crimes.
        johnchristopher 3y ago
        Doesn't matter. Complaining about it is still the right thing to do. All your outlook achieves is forbidding criticism of evil. > We cant claimed to have learned anything if we can't even bother to replace a few elderly politicians who voted for a couple decades of war crimes. That's unrelated to the matter at hands and what is being discussed: Guantanamo is not comparable to the scale of Chinese concentration camps.

willcipriano 3y ago

We're the good guys because our concentration camps are smaller? In other words, if China had camps the size of US ones it would be ok?

johnchristopher 3y ago
> We're the good guys because our concentration camps are smaller? Basically, yeah. The US are way less worse than China. 700 people is a rounding error compared to China's camps. > In other words, if China had camps the size of US ones it would be ok? It would be better, yes. I wish China had camps the size of the US ones since that means between 1 and 3 millions people wouldn't have had (and still have) to live/suffer in them. I wish neither US nor china had them though.
- willcipriano 3y ago
  The way I see it, it's only the people who don't have concentration camps that have the moral standing to complain about them. You don't get to play "do as I say not as I do" on the world stage and the US should be laughed off it when it tries (this is happening more and more). That is the cost we pay for being evil.
  - johnchristopher 3y ago
    > The way I see it, it's only the people who don't have concentration camps that have the moral standing to complain about them. Well, no. If the American people doesn't want to partner with China because 1-3 millions in camps is too much to stomach for them (remember, they only had 700 people and it already was a huge problem for them) and they want to complain about it and maybe this could lead to force China to reassess the situation ? There's a better chance of things moving in the right direction with the US complaining than with Luxembourg or San Marino. I doubt disqualifying that course of action because of some absolutist Sith moral has ever been known to change things for the better. > You don't get to play "do as I say not as I do" on the world stage and the US should be laughed off it when it tries (this is happening more and more). That is the cost we pay for being evil. Yeah, and yet they still do. It's a process. There are backward steps and forward steps. The country recognizing it has a concentration camp problem of 30 people today is much further on the right path than the country denying it has a 1.8million concentration camp population problem. If it can call out the other's bigger bullshit and drag them along further on the right path then it's a good thing.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      > Well, no. If the American people doesn't want to partner with China because 1-3 millions in camps is too much to stomach That's the part you are missing. American politicians including the president and his family receive millions from China. US businesses, including Hollywood seem quite happy to deal with China and bend over backwards for them. Hell, lots of products sold in the US are likely made in the very labor camps they are complaining about. > There are backward steps and forward steps. That would be fine if the people behind the backward step weren't still in charge. We cant claimed to have learned anything if we can't even bother to replace a few elderly politicians who voted for a couple decades of war crimes.
      - johnchristopher 3y ago
        Doesn't matter. Complaining about it is still the right thing to do. All your outlook achieves is forbidding criticism of evil. > We cant claimed to have learned anything if we can't even bother to replace a few elderly politicians who voted for a couple decades of war crimes. That's unrelated to the matter at hands and what is being discussed: Guantanamo is not comparable to the scale of Chinese concentration camps.