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Since it’s government they can’t raise wages to attract talent so they keep going lower and lower down in standards until at some point they can’t even find peo

Since it’s government they can’t raise wages to attract talent so they keep going lower and lower down in standards until at some point they can’t even find people to meet the required minimum

robotnikman 3y ago
I was under the impression ATC's made good money, like 6 figures easily?
- pc86 3y ago
  They do make good money, and there's no evidence to support the claim that training or acceptance standards have been diminished at all.
- bombcar 3y ago
  That could be true and still not be good-money-for-the-work-and-stress.
- missedthecue 3y ago
  The mean annual wage is $130,840 according to the BLS. That's two times the national mean of $61,900. There are very few occupations where the mean can compete with Air Traffic Control in terms of take home pay. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes532021.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes532021.htm
  - nunez 3y ago
    They make good money but the job is super duper stressful and has long hours afaik.
- mathgeek 3y ago
  The underlying issue is public roles are heavily budget restricted. If the role pays well, administrators often have to reduce headcount as the trade off.
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- alistairSH 3y ago
  Median salary in the US is near $130,000. Starting pay is in the $43-$65,000 range (before location adjustments). In DC, that range is $57-$86,000. Top of the range, non-management is $104-$161,000 (before location). In DC, that range is $138-$212,000. Salary spreadsheet can be found here: https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits
  - throw9away6 3y ago
    That’s not that much money anymore for high stress low quality of life work. UPS driver and railroad worker wages are in the same range And people don’t really want those jobs either
    - robotnikman 3y ago
      Slightly unrelated, but my brother is working at UPS now and is making decent income. He went to a coding bootcamp 2 years ago and has had absolutely no luck finding a front end web dev position. I'm just glad he has a stable and well paying job for now, though I hope he finds his way to doing something else that's more sustainable for him, especially since he is beginning to have issues with his back. Maybe his best bet is finding a web dev job (or a dev job in general) within the company itself, since usually inside hires are preferred.
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    - alistairSH 3y ago
      From UPS's website, the average package delivery driver earns $140k in total comp (incl. benefits). The average long-haul driver is $170k. Some high school friends drive for UPS (local package trucks). It's a solid income, but it's not a walk in the park either. They have quotas to meet. And late Fall through late Winter is a mad-house. That said, I believe they're union and both will be retiring well before me. https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html

Since it’s government they can’t raise wages to attract talent so they keep going lower and lower down in standards until at some point they can’t even find people to meet the required minimum

robotnikman 3y ago

I was under the impression ATC's made good money, like 6 figures easily?

pc86 3y ago
They do make good money, and there's no evidence to support the claim that training or acceptance standards have been diminished at all.
bombcar 3y ago
That could be true and still not be good-money-for-the-work-and-stress.
missedthecue 3y ago
The mean annual wage is $130,840 according to the BLS. That's two times the national mean of $61,900. There are very few occupations where the mean can compete with Air Traffic Control in terms of take home pay. https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes532021.htm https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes532021.htm
- nunez 3y ago
  They make good money but the job is super duper stressful and has long hours afaik.
mathgeek 3y ago
The underlying issue is public roles are heavily budget restricted. If the role pays well, administrators often have to reduce headcount as the trade off.
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alistairSH 3y ago
Median salary in the US is near $130,000. Starting pay is in the $43-$65,000 range (before location adjustments). In DC, that range is $57-$86,000. Top of the range, non-management is $104-$161,000 (before location). In DC, that range is $138-$212,000. Salary spreadsheet can be found here: https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits https://www.faa.gov/jobs/working_here/benefits
- throw9away6 3y ago
  That’s not that much money anymore for high stress low quality of life work. UPS driver and railroad worker wages are in the same range And people don’t really want those jobs either
  - robotnikman 3y ago
    Slightly unrelated, but my brother is working at UPS now and is making decent income. He went to a coding bootcamp 2 years ago and has had absolutely no luck finding a front end web dev position. I'm just glad he has a stable and well paying job for now, though I hope he finds his way to doing something else that's more sustainable for him, especially since he is beginning to have issues with his back. Maybe his best bet is finding a web dev job (or a dev job in general) within the company itself, since usually inside hires are preferred.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - alistairSH 3y ago
    From UPS's website, the average package delivery driver earns $140k in total comp (incl. benefits). The average long-haul driver is $170k. Some high school friends drive for UPS (local package trucks). It's a solid income, but it's not a walk in the park either. They have quotas to meet. And late Fall through late Winter is a mad-house. That said, I believe they're union and both will be retiring well before me. https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html https://about.ups.com/us/en/our-company/great-employer.html