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Your comment here is helping to prove my point. You are equating the music industry with music as an art form. Studio equipment being cheaper and there being

by slg 3y ago

Your comment here is helping to prove my point. You are equating the music industry with music as an art form. Studio equipment being cheaper and there being no "major releases" or "shared listening experience" does not mean music today is worse. It just means the mainstream has broadened to a degree that it barely exists. Complaining about that is effectively old man yelling at clouds behavior. But if you are truly craving the mainstream shared experience, Taylor Swift is currently in the middle of the most culturally relevant concert tour in decades.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
>Taylor Swift is currently in the middle of the most culturally relevant concert tour in decades. Name another. Name one that came up in the last ten years that is at your Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, whatever pop level. Who is the biggest name in country right now and when did they come up? How about rap? You're refusing to look at it outside yourself. It's hard to say what good art it - but it's pretty damn easy to say what bad art is. I'm not talking about preference, I'm talking about "everyone is special" pushed so much that there are more than there used to be with less polish and drive. It takes a lot less talent and vision to just see that it's just being pumped out by everyone for free. The labels figured out quickly they don't need these superstars anymore. It's the effect from influencers. Or AAA movies, where is this generations DeCaprio? .... It's DeCarpio. Do you remember when Lady Gaga's dog walked was shot and the dogs stolen? That was expensive for Universal. Why bother? Remember when Britney broken and shaved her head? Who needs that? If you have 100000 gorgeous little starlets that can sing ready to replace each other, who cares if one kills someone in DUI or releases a porn/onlyfans? Why pay for PR and handlers and management when you can just replace them? And for the same reasons you don't need to invest in them for a shared cultural listening experience. Everyone can sing into equipment the Beatles would have murdered each other for then release it worldwide in the time it takes to cross abbey road. How can you not see the effect of that is lower quality?
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > It's hard to say what good art it - but it's pretty damn easy to say what bad art is. I'm not talking about preference, I'm talking about "everyone is special" pushed so much that there are more than there used to be with less polish and drive. Not only are you talking about preference, its preference for superficial marketing. > Why pay for PR and handlers and management Do these things make better art, or just better sell mediocre art?
  - SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
    >Do these things make better art, or just better sell mediocre art? It's downstream effect. Who did Kurt Kobain grow up listening to? Chili peppers? Who did Dolly Parton learn from and idolize? I bet they were on polished albums and tours and on the radio. You had to be pretty good to have money invested into you then. Who did the great Jazz artists listen to? Black records were absolutely a thing, and they weren't glued to their phones, they were in clubs and on streets. Country was far more from campfires after a long day because it didn't make sense to try and ride back home, now you GPS tag the cattle and take the four wheelers out, be back in an hour no one is sitting around. Some kid in Seattle is probably out there with a lot of talent and a lot to say... With no one great of his generation to learn from. Just a higher quantity of blah music than at any point in history. It's culture. We've killed our shared music experience ironically by connecting everyone and everything. I'm done with this topic for the most part... For my final point.... trap and drill exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJq7yjDT9Qw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJq7yjDT9Qw You point out ANY musical theory in this, then go listen to Illmatic (one love)

by slg 3y ago

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

>Taylor Swift is currently in the middle of the most culturally relevant concert tour in decades. Name another. Name one that came up in the last ten years that is at your Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga, whatever pop level. Who is the biggest name in country right now and when did they come up? How about rap? You're refusing to look at it outside yourself. It's hard to say what good art it - but it's pretty damn easy to say what bad art is. I'm not talking about preference, I'm talking about "everyone is special" pushed so much that there are more than there used to be with less polish and drive. It takes a lot less talent and vision to just see that it's just being pumped out by everyone for free. The labels figured out quickly they don't need these superstars anymore. It's the effect from influencers. Or AAA movies, where is this generations DeCaprio? .... It's DeCarpio. Do you remember when Lady Gaga's dog walked was shot and the dogs stolen? That was expensive for Universal. Why bother? Remember when Britney broken and shaved her head? Who needs that? If you have 100000 gorgeous little starlets that can sing ready to replace each other, who cares if one kills someone in DUI or releases a porn/onlyfans? Why pay for PR and handlers and management when you can just replace them? And for the same reasons you don't need to invest in them for a shared cultural listening experience. Everyone can sing into equipment the Beatles would have murdered each other for then release it worldwide in the time it takes to cross abbey road. How can you not see the effect of that is lower quality?

dragonwriter 3y ago
> It's hard to say what good art it - but it's pretty damn easy to say what bad art is. I'm not talking about preference, I'm talking about "everyone is special" pushed so much that there are more than there used to be with less polish and drive. Not only are you talking about preference, its preference for superficial marketing. > Why pay for PR and handlers and management Do these things make better art, or just better sell mediocre art?
- SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
  >Do these things make better art, or just better sell mediocre art? It's downstream effect. Who did Kurt Kobain grow up listening to? Chili peppers? Who did Dolly Parton learn from and idolize? I bet they were on polished albums and tours and on the radio. You had to be pretty good to have money invested into you then. Who did the great Jazz artists listen to? Black records were absolutely a thing, and they weren't glued to their phones, they were in clubs and on streets. Country was far more from campfires after a long day because it didn't make sense to try and ride back home, now you GPS tag the cattle and take the four wheelers out, be back in an hour no one is sitting around. Some kid in Seattle is probably out there with a lot of talent and a lot to say... With no one great of his generation to learn from. Just a higher quantity of blah music than at any point in history. It's culture. We've killed our shared music experience ironically by connecting everyone and everything. I'm done with this topic for the most part... For my final point.... trap and drill exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJq7yjDT9Qw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJq7yjDT9Qw You point out ANY musical theory in this, then go listen to Illmatic (one love)