(okay never positive at any time might be a little too far, I wouldn't be shocked if it was a few millions in the black at some point or another-- but billions?

(okay never positive at any time might be a little too far, I wouldn't be shocked if it was a few millions in the black at some point or another-- but billions? I would be shocked unless you used obviously fraudulent accounting like valuing illiquid assets at the last trade price)