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There are the recently announced hardware root of trust solutions[1] that aren’t behavior driven. But they just trade one privacy issue for potentially another

by wepple 3y ago

There are the recently announced hardware root of trust solutions[1] that aren’t behavior driven. But they just trade one privacy issue for potentially another, depending on your view It does seem sadly unavoidable. Perhaps the internet has to go full circle and we need real identities if we want to ensure we’re not talking to machines? [1] https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-and-macs-using-new-standard/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/eliminating-captchas-on-iphones-...

Jon_Lowtek 3y ago
It is not only a privacy issue, "certified by entrenched gatekeeper mega-corporation" is a nightmare for user freedom. The first ones who will be impacted are the minority who root their devices and compile their own software, but in the long run there are detrimental effects of a monopoly at the gate, like the ease to implement surveillance, censorship and drm, that will apply to everyone.
- wepple 3y ago
  Yeah, at second glance it actually (as proposed - huge caveat) might even be better for privacy. I’m can’t begin to theorize how the future will play out if you need a PAT to access most web destinations. Do cloudflare or Apple engineers use Linux machines ever? Surely they do, and either know this is bad or have some plan to make it work?
JohnFen 3y ago
> Perhaps the internet has to go full circle and we need real identities if we want to ensure we’re not talking to machines? If that's the case, then I'll be done using the web entirely.
- wepple 3y ago
  Yeah, I think I might be too. I mean, I’m headed that way to a degree anyhow. Although arguably most major web players already 100% know who you are - just maybe not your name.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > I’m headed that way to a degree anyhow As am I, which is why it's not that big of a deal to take this stance. > most major web players already 100% know who you are I have no doubt about this, but there's also a whole internet full of others who I want to remain pseudonymous with. I've been using a handful of online identities for over 30 years now, and have never tied them to my real world identity. The reasons for avoiding that hold more true now than ever before. Having to tie my online identities to my actual identity is unthinkable.

by wepple 3y ago

Jon_Lowtek 3y ago

It is not only a privacy issue, "certified by entrenched gatekeeper mega-corporation" is a nightmare for user freedom. The first ones who will be impacted are the minority who root their devices and compile their own software, but in the long run there are detrimental effects of a monopoly at the gate, like the ease to implement surveillance, censorship and drm, that will apply to everyone.

wepple 3y ago
Yeah, at second glance it actually (as proposed - huge caveat) might even be better for privacy. I’m can’t begin to theorize how the future will play out if you need a PAT to access most web destinations. Do cloudflare or Apple engineers use Linux machines ever? Surely they do, and either know this is bad or have some plan to make it work?

JohnFen 3y ago

> Perhaps the internet has to go full circle and we need real identities if we want to ensure we’re not talking to machines? If that's the case, then I'll be done using the web entirely.

wepple 3y ago
Yeah, I think I might be too. I mean, I’m headed that way to a degree anyhow. Although arguably most major web players already 100% know who you are - just maybe not your name.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > I’m headed that way to a degree anyhow As am I, which is why it's not that big of a deal to take this stance. > most major web players already 100% know who you are I have no doubt about this, but there's also a whole internet full of others who I want to remain pseudonymous with. I've been using a handful of online identities for over 30 years now, and have never tied them to my real world identity. The reasons for avoiding that hold more true now than ever before. Having to tie my online identities to my actual identity is unthinkable.