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This is fine, really. If a community doesn't maintain it, it's not valuable to the community. The best projects are the ones where someone has a personal intere

This is fine, really. If a community doesn't maintain it, it's not valuable to the community. The best projects are the ones where someone has a personal interest in seeing it succeed. I've been using Linux for 25 years and I'm old now. I just want shit to work. If I have to pay for it and it's closed source, that's fine with me, as long as it does what I need. The open source philosophy is great and should continue, but also I am just tired of how often Linux is difficult, mysterious, and buggy, and would rather just pay someone to make it work so I can get on with life. (Mac sucks balls and Windows is a security nightmare and not great for development, so I'm still on Linux)

pabs3 3y ago
What has been your strategy for paying people to make it work? Buy RedHat, or ? I note that there are lots of Linux consulting companies out there.
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
> Mac sucks balls Why do you feel this way? This is an uncommon opinion in my experience. I can definitely understand folks that want to stay on Linux for various reasons, but if your attitude is "I'm now too old to deal with this shit, I just want it to work" and then still want to stay on Linux, it feels to me like you're just a glutton for punishment.
- lowbloodsugar 3y ago
  Right? “Desktop Linux” is macOS. It’s a working Unix but with all the desktop software I need. I develop software that runs on Linux but I’ve tried that on a Linux desktop and what a pain the ass.
- coryrc 3y ago
  As someone who has been a Linux or Windows user all my life, every little interaction with the desktop environment is off in a way I'm not used to and it's uncomfortable and productivity-sapping. I don't think I'd go that far as saying "sucks balls" though. But apart from some stick-in-the-ass upower devs who think their tool should randomly shut down laptops without any choice to disable (I patched it out) I just live within my limitations. Wish my nvidia mobile graphics worked.
  - hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
    > every little interaction with the desktop environment is off in a way I'm not used to and it's uncomfortable and productivity-sapping. Now that explanation totally makes sense to me. We spend so much time in our OS environments (often with a ton of personalized customizations) that switching to something with different interaction paradigms is a pain I can totally understand not wanting to bear. As another example, I'm a Mac user but have been on Android for about a decade now, and whenever I use an iPhone I go nuts because I don't know the special magic swipes or taps or tap-and-holds to do what I want it to. But that's just because I'm not used to an iPhone. Then I also really liked your comment "I just live within my limitations". That is, Linux users I know like it and use it for different reasons, but they all know it has particular nits and shortcomings (usually around drivers) that they accept as the price for using it. But what I can't really wrap my head around is having the approach "I want a *nix desktop, that I'm willing to pay for, and I don't care if it's closed source, but I just want it to work." That thing exists, it's called MacOS, and if those reasons were important enough I'd just bite the bullet for the one-time switchover costs and get a Mac.

pabs3 3y ago

What has been your strategy for paying people to make it work? Buy RedHat, or ? I note that there are lots of Linux consulting companies out there.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

> Mac sucks balls Why do you feel this way? This is an uncommon opinion in my experience. I can definitely understand folks that want to stay on Linux for various reasons, but if your attitude is "I'm now too old to deal with this shit, I just want it to work" and then still want to stay on Linux, it feels to me like you're just a glutton for punishment.

lowbloodsugar 3y ago
Right? “Desktop Linux” is macOS. It’s a working Unix but with all the desktop software I need. I develop software that runs on Linux but I’ve tried that on a Linux desktop and what a pain the ass.
coryrc 3y ago
As someone who has been a Linux or Windows user all my life, every little interaction with the desktop environment is off in a way I'm not used to and it's uncomfortable and productivity-sapping. I don't think I'd go that far as saying "sucks balls" though. But apart from some stick-in-the-ass upower devs who think their tool should randomly shut down laptops without any choice to disable (I patched it out) I just live within my limitations. Wish my nvidia mobile graphics worked.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  > every little interaction with the desktop environment is off in a way I'm not used to and it's uncomfortable and productivity-sapping. Now that explanation totally makes sense to me. We spend so much time in our OS environments (often with a ton of personalized customizations) that switching to something with different interaction paradigms is a pain I can totally understand not wanting to bear. As another example, I'm a Mac user but have been on Android for about a decade now, and whenever I use an iPhone I go nuts because I don't know the special magic swipes or taps or tap-and-holds to do what I want it to. But that's just because I'm not used to an iPhone. Then I also really liked your comment "I just live within my limitations". That is, Linux users I know like it and use it for different reasons, but they all know it has particular nits and shortcomings (usually around drivers) that they accept as the price for using it. But what I can't really wrap my head around is having the approach "I want a *nix desktop, that I'm willing to pay for, and I don't care if it's closed source, but I just want it to work." That thing exists, it's called MacOS, and if those reasons were important enough I'd just bite the bullet for the one-time switchover costs and get a Mac.