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Sure, but not Red hat. Especially now. Maybe pop os?

Dalewyn 3y ago
If you weren't and aren't going to pay for Red Hat, you aren't going to pay for any other distro either. This isn't meant to be confrontational. If you don't want to spend money on code provided by volunteers (or whatever your justification is), that's fine; it's your money and your life philosophy. But at least be classy about how you conduct yourself; if you don't want to pay then just say so instead of coming up with endless excuses.
- Karunamon 3y ago
  Presuming how someone else will spend their money and accusing them of engaging in special pleading when you don't like their answer is inherently confrontational, so please spare us the accusation of bad faith and just make your point directly the next time. In my life I have had precisely 3 opportunities to realistically pay for a Linux distro: - A boxed copy of Mandrake (found on the shelf at Sam's Club many years ago) that got me into it in the first place. I talked my mom into that one. - Professionally, evaluating whether the support and customer service provided by Red Hat was worth using it over CentOS. My recommendation was no, and as it turns out since we did not run software that required it, we never encountered a problem that having their assistance would have solved. - Semi-professionally, really wanting to throw some money to the Proxmox team for access to the enterprise repos and support ticketing on my home-lab-ish cluster, and not being able to afford it because they insist on annual billing. So no, sometimes it's as simple as the combination of price/features/support not being competitive with the free alternatives.
  - pastage 3y ago
    Mandrake was very good at marketing, they did Linux alot if good. Note Proxmox is now €100 per year that is possible even on tight budgets. I wonder how good their support is, at €500 - €1000 per year for remote ssh help that can really be worth it!
    - Karunamon 3y ago
      Unfortunately their pricing is per socket, so that would be about €500 up front for me just for the ability to access a different repository and no support. (Not really useful) If I wanted the ability to submit 3 support tickets per year with a one day turnaround time, that price triples. I could easily justify splitting that cost monthly, but not upfront all at once.
      - CoastalCoder 3y ago
        > Unfortunately their pricing is per socket Heh, at first I parsed that as IPC socket. Now I'm amusing myself thinking about which companies would try to charge for that.
        krger 3y ago
        Oracle. IBM.
- justin66 3y ago
  What a bizarrely illogical and bitter comment you made. People do decide to pay for distros other than Red Hat.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  > If you weren't and aren't going to pay for Red Hat, you aren't going to pay for any other distro either. I don't think that follows logically. People who won't pay for Red Hat, after Red Hat's deemphasis of desktop work, might still willingly pay for another desktop focused distribution.
  - dralley 3y ago
    >I don't think that follows logically. People who won't pay for Red Hat, after Red Hat's deemphasis of desktop work Obviously, certain types of desktop work have been de-emphasized. However, there are a lot of other types of desktop work which Red Hat does, which are continuing or even increasing in resources. * Pipewire * Filling in the Wayland gaps, e.g. color management and HDR * Contributions to Firefox e.g. VAAPI hardware acceleration * Mesa / RADV driver contributions * Improving the Nvidia driver situation in collaboration with Nvidia It's perfectly fine to be upset about the work that's being stopped, but some people in this thread are acting like everything is shutting down, which is ridiculous. And it's not like this stuff that is being worked on is insignificant, either.
    - _ea1k 3y ago
      That's fine, but bluetooth is not a small thing. I'm not sure that emphasizing those other things can make up for that. And moves like this are seldom done in isolation.
      - dralley 3y ago
        >bluetooth is not a small thing The bluetooth settings panel GUI in gnome, not bluetooth support in general.
        pseudalopex 3y ago
        gnome-bluetooth is not the settings panel only. The article said this directly.

If you weren't and aren't going to pay for Red Hat, you aren't going to pay for any other distro either. This isn't meant to be confrontational. If you don't want to spend money on code provided by volunteers (or whatever your justification is), that's fine; it's your money and your life philosophy. But at least be classy about how you conduct yourself; if you don't want to pay then just say so instead of coming up with endless excuses.

Karunamon 3y ago
Presuming how someone else will spend their money and accusing them of engaging in special pleading when you don't like their answer is inherently confrontational, so please spare us the accusation of bad faith and just make your point directly the next time. In my life I have had precisely 3 opportunities to realistically pay for a Linux distro: - A boxed copy of Mandrake (found on the shelf at Sam's Club many years ago) that got me into it in the first place. I talked my mom into that one. - Professionally, evaluating whether the support and customer service provided by Red Hat was worth using it over CentOS. My recommendation was no, and as it turns out since we did not run software that required it, we never encountered a problem that having their assistance would have solved. - Semi-professionally, really wanting to throw some money to the Proxmox team for access to the enterprise repos and support ticketing on my home-lab-ish cluster, and not being able to afford it because they insist on annual billing. So no, sometimes it's as simple as the combination of price/features/support not being competitive with the free alternatives.
- pastage 3y ago
  Mandrake was very good at marketing, they did Linux alot if good. Note Proxmox is now €100 per year that is possible even on tight budgets. I wonder how good their support is, at €500 - €1000 per year for remote ssh help that can really be worth it!
  - Karunamon 3y ago
    Unfortunately their pricing is per socket, so that would be about €500 up front for me just for the ability to access a different repository and no support. (Not really useful) If I wanted the ability to submit 3 support tickets per year with a one day turnaround time, that price triples. I could easily justify splitting that cost monthly, but not upfront all at once.
    - CoastalCoder 3y ago
      > Unfortunately their pricing is per socket Heh, at first I parsed that as IPC socket. Now I'm amusing myself thinking about which companies would try to charge for that.
      - krger 3y ago
        Oracle. IBM.
justin66 3y ago
What a bizarrely illogical and bitter comment you made. People do decide to pay for distros other than Red Hat.
_ea1k 3y ago
> If you weren't and aren't going to pay for Red Hat, you aren't going to pay for any other distro either. I don't think that follows logically. People who won't pay for Red Hat, after Red Hat's deemphasis of desktop work, might still willingly pay for another desktop focused distribution.
- dralley 3y ago
  >I don't think that follows logically. People who won't pay for Red Hat, after Red Hat's deemphasis of desktop work Obviously, certain types of desktop work have been de-emphasized. However, there are a lot of other types of desktop work which Red Hat does, which are continuing or even increasing in resources. * Pipewire * Filling in the Wayland gaps, e.g. color management and HDR * Contributions to Firefox e.g. VAAPI hardware acceleration * Mesa / RADV driver contributions * Improving the Nvidia driver situation in collaboration with Nvidia It's perfectly fine to be upset about the work that's being stopped, but some people in this thread are acting like everything is shutting down, which is ridiculous. And it's not like this stuff that is being worked on is insignificant, either.
  - _ea1k 3y ago
    That's fine, but bluetooth is not a small thing. I'm not sure that emphasizing those other things can make up for that. And moves like this are seldom done in isolation.
    - dralley 3y ago
      >bluetooth is not a small thing The bluetooth settings panel GUI in gnome, not bluetooth support in general.
      - pseudalopex 3y ago
        gnome-bluetooth is not the settings panel only. The article said this directly.