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cool heads prevail. The division is a political ploy. I understand you anger as I feel it too. Don't let the hate poison the conversation. Sadly we need patienc

cool heads prevail. The division is a political ploy. I understand you anger as I feel it too. Don't let the hate poison the conversation. Sadly we need patience for unity, and unity to solve this long run.

mdekkers 3y ago
> solve this long run. What “long run”
- mywittyname 3y ago
  When nature kills enough of us off that industrialized societies collapse because they lack enough people to run it. At this point, climate change denial is indistinguishable from rooting for a Mad Max existence. Even if someone is not convinced, they should still go along with changes to reduce emissions the way scientists propose because the price of being wrong is nature deciding to reduce emissions its way. And, as we are seeing, that involves a whole lot of destroying everything.
- circlefavshape 3y ago
  "in the long run" means "over the long term"
  - mdekkers 3y ago
    I know what it means, I was making a statement as to the actual time available for a solution to be developed. Everyone appears to be talking about how incremental improvements over time to the hull of the Titanic will somehow stave off the immediate sinking that’s going on.
    - Serenacula 3y ago
      Yeah but this ain't an iceberg, it's a leak. Gradual improvement CAN fix it as long as people don't panic or give up.
      - mdekkers 3y ago
        > Yeah but this ain't an iceberg, it's a leak. Gradual improvement CAN fix it as long as people don't panic or give up. The available data, as well as the interpretation of all credible climate scientists strongly begs to differ from your opinion.
    - c22 3y ago
      You can't stop the immediate sinking. Getting frustrated at people for not coming up with a "solution" faster is counterproductive. There will be some survivors. These survivors will need to solve the problem in the long run.
      - mdekkers 3y ago
        > You can't stop the immediate sinking. Technically we can. Those in power don’t _want_ to. They don’t have our best interest at heart. These kind of “it is inevitable” attitudes are a big part of the problem.

mdekkers 3y ago

> solve this long run. What “long run”

mywittyname 3y ago
When nature kills enough of us off that industrialized societies collapse because they lack enough people to run it. At this point, climate change denial is indistinguishable from rooting for a Mad Max existence. Even if someone is not convinced, they should still go along with changes to reduce emissions the way scientists propose because the price of being wrong is nature deciding to reduce emissions its way. And, as we are seeing, that involves a whole lot of destroying everything.
circlefavshape 3y ago
"in the long run" means "over the long term"
- mdekkers 3y ago
  I know what it means, I was making a statement as to the actual time available for a solution to be developed. Everyone appears to be talking about how incremental improvements over time to the hull of the Titanic will somehow stave off the immediate sinking that’s going on.
  - Serenacula 3y ago
    Yeah but this ain't an iceberg, it's a leak. Gradual improvement CAN fix it as long as people don't panic or give up.
    - mdekkers 3y ago
      > Yeah but this ain't an iceberg, it's a leak. Gradual improvement CAN fix it as long as people don't panic or give up. The available data, as well as the interpretation of all credible climate scientists strongly begs to differ from your opinion.
  - c22 3y ago
    You can't stop the immediate sinking. Getting frustrated at people for not coming up with a "solution" faster is counterproductive. There will be some survivors. These survivors will need to solve the problem in the long run.
    - mdekkers 3y ago
      > You can't stop the immediate sinking. Technically we can. Those in power don’t _want_ to. They don’t have our best interest at heart. These kind of “it is inevitable” attitudes are a big part of the problem.