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Given the age of the earth - 4.543 billion years - the roughly 200 years of human recordkeeping, even assuming a true statement, makes that 4.4e-6 percent of th

Given the age of the earth - 4.543 billion years - the roughly 200 years of human recordkeeping, even assuming a true statement, makes that 4.4e-6 percent of the age of the earth. Or put another way, the record doesn't account for the other 99.99956% of earth's history. Just a reminder.

anigbrowl 3y ago
I like how you pretend not to know about the existence of ice core samples or geology. Honest people make their best arguments first, shills their worst.
saikia81 3y ago
This is not a random sampling issue. There is a pattern over years, that any engineer can recognize.
lm28469 3y ago
"Earth used to be a molten rock so what's 5 degrees more, nothing to see here" That's how this argument sounds
- adammarples 3y ago
  It's obviously not quite such a nonsense statement, 99.999% of human history is in that range, too.
  - lm28469 3y ago
    > not quite such a nonsense statement In itself yes, maybe, but what's the point of it in the context of climate change or in the context of this discussion ? When the water reaches 100c does the frog care it was 20c when it started ? It even used to be ice cubes before we turned up the heat, what is there to fear ?
gmerc 3y ago
I’m always surprised why people make this argument. Is this argument “it’s normal and not man made?” Is the argument just normal grammar Nazis stuff, intentionally latching on to the ability to redirect context? Is the argument that earth will be fine, implicitly dismissing we should care about our species sustainability? Why oh why I wonder. “Just a reminder, “Just asking a question” and “I find this interesting”… are basically smokebombs people throw into a conversation- but why? “Just asking a question” here…
- archerx 3y ago
  The argument is it is easy to manipulate statistics for both fun(power/control) and or profit!
- willcipriano 3y ago
  Back in my day science wasn't so defensive. They would simply explain how they can use this tiny amount of data to draw the conclusions they are presenting.
  - gmerc 3y ago
    I see you are choosing to avoid the question. I rest my case. https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global-temperature-records-broken https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global... explains it well enough. The data available by Copernicus is exhaustive and high quality.
    - willcipriano 3y ago
      > Global daily surface air temperature (°C) from 1 January 1940 to 31 July 2023 I didn't find the part where they explained how they know that's sufficient data to draw all the conclusions that are being made about climate. > I rest my case. Alright then. I'm unconvinced.
    - DiffEq 3y ago
      ERA5 records go back to 1940. But it could have been supplemented with other records…and it appears that 1936 was hotter than 2023. So NPR could have at least mentioned that.
svrtknst 3y ago
For a long stretch of time, carnivorous dinosaurs roamed the Earth. For a long time, it was molten rock. Would you like dinosaurs or molten rock in your apartment? I wouldn't.
c22 3y ago
The record accounts for more history than you are giving it credit for [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record
fanatic2pope 3y ago
Also a reminder that human record keeping is not the only way we can know what range past temperatures were. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2018/03/23/heres-how-scientists-reconstruct-earths-past-climates/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natu...
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anigbrowl 3y ago

I like how you pretend not to know about the existence of ice core samples or geology. Honest people make their best arguments first, shills their worst.

saikia81 3y ago

This is not a random sampling issue. There is a pattern over years, that any engineer can recognize.

lm28469 3y ago

"Earth used to be a molten rock so what's 5 degrees more, nothing to see here" That's how this argument sounds

adammarples 3y ago
It's obviously not quite such a nonsense statement, 99.999% of human history is in that range, too.
- lm28469 3y ago
  > not quite such a nonsense statement In itself yes, maybe, but what's the point of it in the context of climate change or in the context of this discussion ? When the water reaches 100c does the frog care it was 20c when it started ? It even used to be ice cubes before we turned up the heat, what is there to fear ?

gmerc 3y ago

I’m always surprised why people make this argument. Is this argument “it’s normal and not man made?” Is the argument just normal grammar Nazis stuff, intentionally latching on to the ability to redirect context? Is the argument that earth will be fine, implicitly dismissing we should care about our species sustainability? Why oh why I wonder. “Just a reminder, “Just asking a question” and “I find this interesting”… are basically smokebombs people throw into a conversation- but why? “Just asking a question” here…

archerx 3y ago
The argument is it is easy to manipulate statistics for both fun(power/control) and or profit!
willcipriano 3y ago
Back in my day science wasn't so defensive. They would simply explain how they can use this tiny amount of data to draw the conclusions they are presenting.
- gmerc 3y ago
  I see you are choosing to avoid the question. I rest my case. https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global-temperature-records-broken https://climate.copernicus.eu/july-2023-sees-multiple-global... explains it well enough. The data available by Copernicus is exhaustive and high quality.
  - willcipriano 3y ago
    > Global daily surface air temperature (°C) from 1 January 1940 to 31 July 2023 I didn't find the part where they explained how they know that's sufficient data to draw all the conclusions that are being made about climate. > I rest my case. Alright then. I'm unconvinced.
  - DiffEq 3y ago
    ERA5 records go back to 1940. But it could have been supplemented with other records…and it appears that 1936 was hotter than 2023. So NPR could have at least mentioned that.

svrtknst 3y ago

For a long stretch of time, carnivorous dinosaurs roamed the Earth. For a long time, it was molten rock. Would you like dinosaurs or molten rock in your apartment? I wouldn't.

c22 3y ago

The record accounts for more history than you are giving it credit for [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record

fanatic2pope 3y ago

Also a reminder that human record keeping is not the only way we can know what range past temperatures were. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natural-history/2018/03/23/heres-how-scientists-reconstruct-earths-past-climates/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/blogs/national-museum-of-natu...

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