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Yeah because i'm gonna glue a sign to my face that says "working on a side project" for our weekly scrum I am sorry that I dared conceive a possibility of not

Yeah because i'm gonna glue a sign to my face that says "working on a side project" for our weekly scrum I am sorry that I dared conceive a possibility of not licking sundar's boot for the entirety of my career. I'll do my best to brown nose for my CEO in the future, so as not to offend you

gregjor 3y ago
If you don’t want to work under the constraints of an employer then do your own thing. You asked about employers owning IP, I have an answer according to my understanding and experience. You stated you wanted to grind leetcode to get a high-paying FAANG job to fund your own projects, I offered my opinion that employers would perhaps see your motivations as red flags. If you want to blame me for the law, the usual practices around employers and IP, or why companies hire or pass on people, and reduce the discussion to loaded terms like “boot licking,” fine. You won’t offend me. I don’t care what you do or why. Your question demonstrates inexperience and unfamiliarity with the law and employment practices and IP ownership in the US. If you have real concerns about ownership of valuable IP you should do the professional thing and consult an attorney rather than soliciting opinions on HN, then berating people who try to answer.
- oplergiy3800 3y ago
  if you read my post I was asking specifically asking for FANGS, because its pretty obvious to anyone with access to google, that its possible to change IP agreements the question was not IF i could change IP agreements, the question was if FANGs TEND to BUDGE on requests to change IP agreements. they clearly have more negotiating power than some smaller or nontech company, with a lower level of access to talent. so say if someone were have negotiated an IP agreement with a startup, that would not shed light any data on what FANGs tend to do the question was not about technical feasibility, the question was about probability. I don't know if you can't read or if you get your rocks off talking down to people, but maybe you should read the post before offering an opinion? and regarding "do you own thing if you don't want to work under the constraints of an employer": I don't care if you're particularly offended at the idea of someone not starving while working on a side project. your opinion about whether or not I should is irrelevant. I'm asking about feasibility. kindly shove your inner hall monitor monologuing where the sun don't shine
  - gregjor 3y ago
    FAANG/big tech companies operate under the same IP and employment laws as every other company. The laws in the US tend to favor the employer, and of course any large tech company will have vastly more legal resources available than a typical employee. Whether a company will negotiate different IP agreements would depend on the employee and the situation. Some people will have better negotiating positions than others. As you pointed out with more colorful language, just asking about negotiating possible IP ownership sends a message to the employer, which they may interpret differently depending on the employee (or candidate) and the situation. I have done this before, quite a few times, with legal advice as I suggested already. How hard I would push on the issue depends on the situation and how much I want the gig. I don't think anyone can give a probability of what you might experience. You may get some anecdotes, but your question is like asking "Do FAANGs pay for business class travel?" That would depend a lot on the person traveling, the occasion, and other situational variables that make an average or probability meaningless. In general all employers who produce valuable intellectual property -- which includes all of the FAANG companies -- will almost certainly take a "we own everything you create" approach. Signing an agreement granting all IP rights to the employer usually happens before employment starts. If you already own IP you will want to list that and add the list to your contract so it's clear that your prior IP is excluded from the employment arrangement. I prefer not licking boots and brown-nosing, as you put it, so I freelance. I still have to consider IP ownership implications, but the relationship is more clear as a freelancer and customers generally don't expect to own any IP beyond what they specifically contracted and paid for. If you came here to pick a fight with your new anonymous account, fine, but I'm opting out. Stay anonymous with posts like this. Your attitude and language won't do you any favors at big tech companies.

gregjor 3y ago

If you don’t want to work under the constraints of an employer then do your own thing. You asked about employers owning IP, I have an answer according to my understanding and experience. You stated you wanted to grind leetcode to get a high-paying FAANG job to fund your own projects, I offered my opinion that employers would perhaps see your motivations as red flags. If you want to blame me for the law, the usual practices around employers and IP, or why companies hire or pass on people, and reduce the discussion to loaded terms like “boot licking,” fine. You won’t offend me. I don’t care what you do or why. Your question demonstrates inexperience and unfamiliarity with the law and employment practices and IP ownership in the US. If you have real concerns about ownership of valuable IP you should do the professional thing and consult an attorney rather than soliciting opinions on HN, then berating people who try to answer.

oplergiy3800 3y ago
if you read my post I was asking specifically asking for FANGS, because its pretty obvious to anyone with access to google, that its possible to change IP agreements the question was not IF i could change IP agreements, the question was if FANGs TEND to BUDGE on requests to change IP agreements. they clearly have more negotiating power than some smaller or nontech company, with a lower level of access to talent. so say if someone were have negotiated an IP agreement with a startup, that would not shed light any data on what FANGs tend to do the question was not about technical feasibility, the question was about probability. I don't know if you can't read or if you get your rocks off talking down to people, but maybe you should read the post before offering an opinion? and regarding "do you own thing if you don't want to work under the constraints of an employer": I don't care if you're particularly offended at the idea of someone not starving while working on a side project. your opinion about whether or not I should is irrelevant. I'm asking about feasibility. kindly shove your inner hall monitor monologuing where the sun don't shine
- gregjor 3y ago
  FAANG/big tech companies operate under the same IP and employment laws as every other company. The laws in the US tend to favor the employer, and of course any large tech company will have vastly more legal resources available than a typical employee. Whether a company will negotiate different IP agreements would depend on the employee and the situation. Some people will have better negotiating positions than others. As you pointed out with more colorful language, just asking about negotiating possible IP ownership sends a message to the employer, which they may interpret differently depending on the employee (or candidate) and the situation. I have done this before, quite a few times, with legal advice as I suggested already. How hard I would push on the issue depends on the situation and how much I want the gig. I don't think anyone can give a probability of what you might experience. You may get some anecdotes, but your question is like asking "Do FAANGs pay for business class travel?" That would depend a lot on the person traveling, the occasion, and other situational variables that make an average or probability meaningless. In general all employers who produce valuable intellectual property -- which includes all of the FAANG companies -- will almost certainly take a "we own everything you create" approach. Signing an agreement granting all IP rights to the employer usually happens before employment starts. If you already own IP you will want to list that and add the list to your contract so it's clear that your prior IP is excluded from the employment arrangement. I prefer not licking boots and brown-nosing, as you put it, so I freelance. I still have to consider IP ownership implications, but the relationship is more clear as a freelancer and customers generally don't expect to own any IP beyond what they specifically contracted and paid for. If you came here to pick a fight with your new anonymous account, fine, but I'm opting out. Stay anonymous with posts like this. Your attitude and language won't do you any favors at big tech companies.